Non binery people

my daughter has a friend who dresses and looks like a 13 year old boy she isn't interested in womens clothes or makeup or anything "female" at all ,she's studying computer sciences at Uni ..she does however have a long term relationship with a man who is a fair bit older than her .She had need to state publicly that she is who SHE is and that people who know her accept and love her exactly how she is .Maybe if we,the public stopped being so "interested" in everybody's lives then people like her could just get on with hers in her own way without snide remarks and insults.She is a lovely person and has a heart of gold we love her for who she is

I often feel I want to go away and boil my head in a big saucepan when I hear 'new think' about sexuality; Russell Brand (only a mother could love him) is evidently intending to bring his male baby up as 'gender neutral'. Good luck with that Russell.
Oh for the days when private parts were private, and a sexual relationship was also something wonderful but private between two consenting adults, and not a topic for illustration on snapchat and facebook.

It seems to be a boy thing NanaandGrampy they just don't seem to be able to "play nicely"

Just reminded me of DGS dressed as a pirate together with sword and eye patch, holding Baby Born over the side of the bunk bed and shouting to his sister.... "come and watch Annabelle walk the plank" [horrid boy emoticon]

Can you be the "most least" ? Just wondered.

Now that made me laugh Gilly !! Our 2 middle boys like to set up the hot wheels track, tie Cinderella to a car and fire her down the stairs !

Must be a boy thing because my Grandaughter just shakes her head whilst they're gleefully setting it up.

Our are exactly the same NanaandGrampy all thrown in together although my grandson loves to wind his sisters up by putting Batmans head onto Cinderellas body or vice versa.

This is only a problem caused by adults though jane my family have never adopted traditional roles. My DDiL is the most least domestic person ever and my son is very domestic. Its natural that the children follow what they see.

We have one of those little Ikea kitchens in our shed together with little tables, chairs etc. (I can't get any "shed" things in). I asked if I could give it away as I wondered if they had finished playing with it. To be honest I would like my shed back. The eldest (girl) now 11 says she is too old to play with it and yes I could get rid. Her sister (9) says she won't play with it any more (just copying off big sister) the little boy (7)said he loves it and I mustn't give it away as he like being just like daddy and doing all the cooking, cleaning and washing up.

Ours are the same gilly , all the Lego , pink, fire station, farm etc is in one box and none of them blink an eye at whether a brick is pink or not.

All 4 ( 3 boys and a girl) played with dollies and buggies and at least 2 of the boys for a while chose pink as their favourite colour . We don't do gender neutral toys in our house and no one makes fun of their toy choices. It's no big deal is it ?

That's fine gilly, the problems start when boys who like pink things or playing with princesses are made to feel there's something wrong with them, similarly girls who like meccano are called 'unfeminine' in a derogatory way.
marieeliz there have always been women who have dressed in androgynous clothes or given themselves men's names for whatever reason.
George Eliot, for example.

I think it's only one private school introducing a non gender specific uniform policy at the moment, not schools in general.

I don't like the term non-binary cos it doesn't make sense. Transgender is much more sensible as it says what it is.

I have no problem with children being aware that there are people who have been born into the wrong body. Most people from an early age simply know what they are. I know I am a female and can't imagine being a male. My husband just knows he's a male and can't imagine being female. As do my children and grandchildren. I don't think it will lead to any confusion for the children as long as adults don't make a fuss about it. Children aren't daft. They know that not all people are the same and accept it far more easily than adults seem to do.

My 3 DGC have masses of Lego at mine. They all play with all of it. Fairies, castles, Disney princes and princesses, Batman characters, boats, planes, dogs, cats, bats and rats. The girls chose what they wanted and the little boy chose what he likes too. Nothing will ever stop some little girls choosing pink and pretty things and some little boys choosing the characters they like too. Having said all that... when my grandson plays "his" Lego Batman always "doofs" the Disney princesses or casually knocks them off the top of their castle.

Is it just me. Men seem to want to be women I don't hear of many women wanting to be a man. Or are they lying low.

Thanks for the warning jalima.
I do wonder whether today's parents buy gender-specific toys as a sort of reaction against the 'equal' upbringing many of our generation sought to provide.

If you complain to Lego about it janea, as I did, then you get absolutely nowhere except a reply thanking you for taking an interest, they are responding to public demand and an endless stream of emails offering me the latest 'Lego' toy!

I think it's a good thing if it means children and young people don't feel forced into a stereotype.
When DCs were little, Lego for example was non-gender specific but now it's all princesses for girls and aerospace for boys.
How insulting is that? Either we want girls and boys to be able to fulfill their potential in whatever field interests them, and express themselves as they wish, or we want to pigeon-hole them and force them into roles that don't suit their personality.
I don't agree with hormone treatment until a young person is able to give informed and valid consent, but that applies to any medical intervention.

Talk about greedy.
Just going with the trend perhaps?

My DB always called me 'Rabbit' when I was young
should I change my name officially?

Live and let live, it doesn't really matter what you are.

First world problems.

I noted with interest that Jack Munroe the food campaigner now standing for election wants to be neutral. She has a son, then declared herself a lesbian and is now neutral. Talk about greedy.

I think we pander far too much to minority groups and thereby cause unlimied misery to vulnerable people, who are looking for identity in a stressful world.

People hve always been at either end of the spectrum, my auntie Alice was a bank robber also known as Billy, we just let her get on with it.

Why do we have the declarations of people who want us to accept them, then they want toilets, prisons, all leaflets printed to accommodate their preference, changes to pro nouns, uniforms, it beccomes a minefield for the rest of us.

Some people who have surgery change their minds later and want it all reveresed. it is all very sad and expolitative of what is just confusions and nature is full of those.

We live in a pretty liberated time for clothing, boys in skirts? if they must.

The people on the television called themselves Fox and Owl.....where will it all end this constant, bizarre acting out and how healthy can it be?

I live in Glastonbury we have fairies here and Goddesses and Zombies............anything goes

gillybob your post reminded me of that episode of Only Fools and Horses when Raquel has just given birth and Rodney asks Del Boy 'what is it?' and Del Boy replies 'it's a little baby!'.

There was an episode recently on "StarTrek" featuring Binaries, they had no gender. It posed interesting questions and conclusions even if only entertainment value.

Sorry meant Gillybob !

Brilliant Granybob

Agree NannaandGrampy, they & them are plural, saying 'them or they over there'is just not grammatically correct.saying ' Non gender specific 'however does at least give some indication of the meaning behind the discription

I'm just glad my dear old Nana isn't alive to witness the way things have changed. She'd be appalled

Jeez, mine too downsized What on earth are we coming to when girls and boys can't be described as such.

What did you daughter have?

A baby.

Girl or boy?

Neither. Just a baby.

Pathetic.

The Japanese language does not refer to people as he or she, unless necessary. They find it very odd that the English language refers constantly to the type of genitalia that each person has.