Which would you choose - urinals or cubicles?

As someone who used to go home to go to the loo when I worked in a factory full of men with only one toilet I'd hate it. I have enough problems 'going' if there's someone in the next cubicle as it is and usually wait for the next door one to flush or the hand drier to come on. If it was a man in there my bladder would shut down completely They introduced women's urinals at festivals a few years ago for use with the various 'she wees' available - they were worse than the portaloos with paper, rubbish etc all over and you have to practically get undressed to use them so not very discreet!

Why cant we just have Ladies and Gents ? there really is no need to change it

I am with Shysal on this one. Like Galen though I have had the experience of mixed loos when I have been abroad, didn't like it much but when in Rome, and all that ....

If I'm desperate then either. If I can take my time cubicles any time.

Ladies toilets are required for important things such as make up touch ups and quick chat.

Keep toilets separate wherever possible,
Some Men wee on the floor!
Don't know why but they do.

I would also feel obliged to remind them (men) to Wash their hands!

I was once at a concert where there was a massive queue for the Ladies during the interval, In the end a group of us took over the Gents, although we did let one poor chap join us because he was in the choir and only had a couple of minutes to get back on stage,

Yes, toilet attendants and the sixpenny wash and brush up ( remember that sign?)
Loos need to be gender specific for the comfort of all.

I agree absolutely with both of you - but councils haven't got the money, and no matter which party you support, neither of the main ones is going to give them the wherewithal.

Good idea, I agree about extra employment. One of my preoccupations is the benefit of conductors on public transport, park attendants, just for starters. It makes life safer, provides employment and increases the possibility of positive communication.

If there were an attendant keeping an eye out for troublemakers and cleaning as needed, public loos would be safer and smell better, but it would cost money to do and the price of a pee would go up.

There could be a clearly labelled smaller room with just a wall urinal (flushed vigorously and often - incidental shoe-washinbg included at no extra cost) and handbasins, for men wanting a quick stand-up pee, and a larger unisex room with cubicles (partitions up to the ceiling and no gaps above or below the doors, to foil snoopers), handbasins and child-changing facilities and someone in attendance. That would cater for males, females and transgender people of all descriptions to have privacy, while protecting the safety of lone women - and also the safety of lone youngsters. It would provide extra employment, too.

Couldn't bear the smell. I'd just have to wait.

I have used the mens toilets because the women's toilets always have a queue and the women always have any children the family have , with them, of course they do.
My workplace introduced mixed toilets many years ago. The women revolted within a week - the smell and the puddles of urine on the floor, the lids never put down, I could go on but I'm sure you're all familiar with it. I've no problem with transgender women using the women's toilets, I'd always use the one without a urinal, especially if I'd children with me. It's a more complex issue than the OP suggests, I wish it wasn't.

Whereas men do, if they just want to urinate.

No matter how desperate you are Galen, if all the cubicles are taken (in both toilets) then you don't really have a choice, do you?

Depends on the length of the que and how desperate you are

Exactly. So it's obvious which one women would choose.

It's not about women using the urinals, it's about the declassification of men/ womens toilets and their replacement with gender neutral toilets - one of which has urinals and cubicles and one of which has just cubicles

How would women use the urinals? Knickers down and just stand there? Would that work?

It's not that we can't use them, it's whether we want to and I don't.

How can they be gender neutral if us ladies can't use the urinals. Good place for pervs to hang out (excuse the pun) if you ask me.

And I do find the men's smell pretty yucky!

I think what bothers me is that this has been driven by the transgender/non binary community. And what the Barbican has done is come up with a quick fix solution without considering others not in that category. If you were starting from scratch, as some concert venues have done, then you could have a corridor with cubicles off it, each one with its own washbasin , dryer and rubbish bin. The reality of the Barbican IMO is that most women will not go into the one with urinals ( and some men may feel uncomfortable if they do). At the Barbican apparently, men were going into the non urinals one however but not vice versa. I do think that women ( and men) who prefer separate facilities should be able to have them - perhaps there should be men, women and gender neutral. I fail to see why at a public venue, why there was not any consultation. I've used shared facilities in France but they were in smaller cafes and restaurants. In most hotels and more upmarket restaurants, the facilities were completely separate- but that's not really relevant, this isn't France.

Doesn't worry me like you Petra I ve used the gents before now when there's been a long queue at the ladies and nothing at the men s I m not going in for my dinner only two minutes to do a wee

Doesn't worry me one bit. I've often used men's toilets at shows in London when the women's queue is 10/ 15 deep and the men's have cubicles free. And I've yet to see any gentleman flash the old boy.