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MamaCaz Fri 20-Jan-17 08:28:50

The world holds its breath as America prepares for an almighty Trump!

Sorry folks - childish, I know, but that has been going through my head for weeks now and the temptation to share it finally got the better of me. blush

On that note, I will now disappear for the weekend.

MawBroon Tue 31-Jan-17 20:18:13

@marmark
Duh!! I have just realised "aspidistra"
Sorry to be so obtuse but despite decades of decipherung barely literate teenagers' weird and wonderful spellings (e.g.the Russian leader Starling) I really could not see that. Must be getting old.

angmhay Tue 31-Jan-17 18:38:42

Agreed Marmark

BlueBelle Sun 22-Jan-17 04:14:49

Mawbroon ....Is that an aspidistra on a pedestal ?

stillaliveandkicking Sat 21-Jan-17 19:30:19

Light hearted mockery. Let's just see what he does huh rather than pre-empt him and say he's an idiot. I rather think not. I also think the OP might be.

mcem Sat 21-Jan-17 18:57:22

maw didn't you find marmark 's declaration that she was 'F-----g over and out ' equally attractive??
That bit I understood and appreciated. The rest I found, was gibberish!

MawBroon Sat 21-Jan-17 18:49:43

@marmark (or indeed anybody)

To all those,kiss my ass pidestra

Can somebody explain this to me please? (Not the "kiss my ass" natch!)

MawBroon Sat 21-Jan-17 18:44:18

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38702978

Oh dear, not an orator, not a singer, certainly not a dancer.

Ankers Sat 21-Jan-17 18:38:41

www.cnbc.com/2014/01/28/executive-orders-what-they-are-and-how-they-work.html

How many will Trump do??

mcem Sat 21-Jan-17 18:35:12

What does that mean?

Ankers Sat 21-Jan-17 18:31:15

But executive orders feel like a President can just wave a wand.

Jalima Sat 21-Jan-17 18:03:21

As another (American?) poster said on another thread:
now they are going to see just how powerless the office of the president actually is.

So what is all the fuss about?

M0nica Sat 21-Jan-17 17:49:22

I meant over do the the shock horror reaction to Trump. My feeling to both Trump and Brexit is,it's happened, get over it and get involved.

The sooner those who who didn't support Trump/Brexit accept that democracy is democracy even when the result isn't one you like and realise that Brexit is coming like it or not and Trump is now President and will be for at least the next 4 years and start working positively towards the future the more likely they are to be able to ameliorate the worst excesses of both decisions.

Look how right wing and harsh the Conservatives are now they are not in coalition with the Lib Dems. I am not suggestion the Coalition was perfect or the Lib Dem decisions in government were always wise, but they were able to stop some of the worst excesses of Conservatism and introduce some measures of their own.

mcem Sat 21-Jan-17 17:30:51

Really, really 'Fu--g over and out'????
So things are not all bad then !!

Marmark1 Sat 21-Jan-17 17:23:03

Some people can't help the way they are,others are just plain nasty.To all those,kiss my ass pidestra.
Fu----g over and out.

Anya Sat 21-Jan-17 15:35:27

Shocking.

trisher Sat 21-Jan-17 15:13:26

Trump looks like a man who wouldn't allow anyone to tie his hands.Go Trump,put your wise words into action.Help the people,there desperate,that's why they voted for you.
Wise words like these?
Back when George HW Bush was US President, Trump spoke to Esquire magazine about the media: "You know, it doesn't really matter what [they] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass."
Read more gems here
www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/

Anya Sat 21-Jan-17 14:32:17

'Wise words' shock

Is that 'Help the people there, desperate, that's why they voted for you.' Or should it read, 'Help the people, they're desperate, that's why they voted for you.'

@Marmark

Eats, Shoots and Leaves: be still my inner pedant

rosesarered Sat 21-Jan-17 14:31:30

Excellent post Monica we cannot whine 'It is not fair' when we really mean ' this is not what we want' sometimes I think people confuse those issues, both on Trump and on Brexit.

MawBroon Sat 21-Jan-17 14:23:28

www.standard.co.uk/news/world/barack-obama-boards-helicopter-and-says-final-goodbye-to-american-people-a3446111.html

Found this very moving.sad

Marmark1 Sat 21-Jan-17 09:56:28

Obamas hands were tied,what's the point of him being there then?
Trump looks like a man who wouldn't allow anyone to tie his hands.Go Trump,put your wise words into action.Help the people,there desperate,that's why they voted for you.

BlueBelle Sat 21-Jan-17 09:01:11

How can you overdo Trump MOnica doesn't he do that quite adequetly for himself Blown up idiotic warmongering racist who parents belonged to KKK says it all really I
agree entirely with you Anya Obama inherited a mess from incompetent Bush and did the best he could with his hands tightly tied, he conducted himself with dignity and tried very hard to implement a lot more than was actually ever achieved like the gun stuff Presidents have little clout if the noises behind aren't singing the same song

Anya Sat 21-Jan-17 08:27:09

Peaseblossom I think you will find that the world-wide economic recession which started at the end of 2007 (as Obama took office in January 2008) was responsible for much of America's economic problems, and could have been much worse under another president. Indeed much caused by the likes of Bush and the cost of his wars.
The USA was knee deep into in debt (mainly to China!!) way before Obama,

I'm not aware of any scandals surrounding Obama and family either?

As far as foreign policy failures, the Bushes rushed to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, all spectacular failures when the USA was left with egg on its face, and too many body bags, I can perhaps understand the reluctance to repeat such actions.

At least Obama conducted himself on the international scene with dignity and gravitas; something we are unlikely to see in Trump.

Jalima Fri 20-Jan-17 22:53:00

I realise that the report is an old one, but I heard it reported again tonight.

Jalima Fri 20-Jan-17 22:51:13

Who said that Reagan was a terrible President? Someone further up thread, cannot read it all now, it's late.

However, I have just heard reported on the BBC that people were very worried when Reagan was elected as they thought he would be useless, just a 'cowboy' but that he turned out to be one of the best Presidents of all time.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4631421.stm

M0nica Fri 20-Jan-17 22:37:50

I think all the shock horror over Trump has been vastly overdone. He is not the first deeply flawed man to be elected into the post, even in our lifetime. Think tricky Dicky (Richard Nixon) or even Dubya (George W Bush), both did immense damage to their nation. Arguably ISIS and the spread of terrorism are the direct results of Bush instigating the Iraq War.

What we have seen with the election of Trump and the Brexit referendum is the triumph of democracy. Both were marginal/procedural victories but the victors won by the laws that governed the separate elections and if you have won, you have won and it doesn't really matter whether it is by a few percent or by having most electors in an electoral college. It may not be be the result that the most vocal in either country wanted, but the elections were free and fair (I very much doubt if Russians intervention, true or not,turned a single vote).

However this is where democracy needs to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. We preach enough about democracy to other countries, now we must show our belief in it. Those opposed to Trump and staunch remainers, must accept the majority vote and work with it. Democrats in the US must follow the accepted ways of constitutional opposition and those who voted remain must now work towards the best possible Brexit. I voted remain, but now believe that all my efforts should go towards ensuring we are out of Europe as soon as possible and finding a new route to peace and prosperity.

Today Africa has shown us how to deal, peacefully, with those who will not accept the results of the ballot box. The defeated President of Gambia has finally been persuaded accept he lost the election and must vacate the presidency. It was done by the loyalty of the Gambian army to a new democratically elected President and a quiet show of force by the Economic Community of West African States (Ecowas).