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A glottal stop too far

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thatbags Tue 13-Sept-16 07:58:38

I'm a pronunciation snob. Actually, no, I'm a stickler for articulation. I love hearing different regional accents, but I also like clear speech, speech with well articulated words whatever the underlying accent is. Is it just me or is there an increasing tendency for sloppy speech full of glottal stops where there used to be lovely sharp Ts?

When I read this morning that Angela Rayner, shadow education secretary, said that Theresa May's grammar school proposals, if implemented, would be "de'rimen'al", I cringed. My cringing was not about the effect of more grammar schools, which is a separate issue from what I'm talking about here, but the abuse of the word detrimental.

My hearing is very good (as yet) but I find it takes longer for me to understand sloppily pronounced words. Perhaps it's because too much of my brain is having to translate unfamiliar words into forms that have, to me, greater clarity.

POGS Tue 13-Sept-16 14:48:22

Can't say it bothers me to be honest.

I quite like regional variances and nuances . Take the words Brizzle and the fact someone with a strong Bristolian accent has a tendency to put an 'l' at the end of some words. EG. Aval Gardinal went to the Operal. (Ava Gardiner went to the opera)

I personally was brought up near Glastonbury and 'Baff' (Bath) and I love going back to Somerset from my home now in Leicestershire and being asked 'Wirr zer bin to young un". (Where have you been young one) , even though I'm 64. 'He be fick in the ed him". (He's thick in the head him).

Part of Life's Rich Tapestry as they say.

Jalima Tue 13-Sept-16 14:29:20

maryhoffman I don't think daphnedil meant Jo Cox, I think she must mean Jo Frost, super-nanny.

She wouldn't have said that about Jo Cox.
dd are you there?

Day6 Tue 13-Sept-16 14:17:10

I love regional accents, must admit.

However, I cannot bear any TV programmes that focus on celebrities (who, it seems to me, are famous for doing very little and having very little talent.) Thank you, makers of ghastly reality TV programmes. hmm

My bug bear is the way these 'celebrity' people on TV gush all the time. I loathe constant gushing but it's becoming common on TV. It's so false. Not only that, the full-of-themselves gushers, like that Rylan person, always tell us they are "loving" everything. Where is the vomit emoticon when you need one?

"I am loving that dress..." is just wrong. Actually, Lorraine is guilty of the same offence. It grates.

Please don't get me started on people who, when requesting a beverage say, "Can I GET a coffee?" I've added the question mark. I always want to retort, "OK, well shoo. Go and GET it then." angry

lindiann Tue 13-Sept-16 14:14:32

My pet hate is when someone says 14 pound instead of fourteen pounds

Craftycat Tue 13-Sept-16 14:11:08

I always have to correct words heard on radio pronounced incorrectly out loud. Drives DH mad!
Even worse is the habit younger people have (my 8 year old GD!)of raising their voices at the end of every sentence as US & Australians do. I know she watches far too much US TV- They are allowed NO US programmes on when they stay here. Why can there not be more British programmes for children. Once they grow out of CeeBeebies they are bombarded with American programmes.

thatbags Tue 13-Sept-16 13:58:33

jaycee5, I think, for people who litter their speech with 'like', saying something without inserting 'like' is probably a bit like trying to eat a doughnut without licking your lips grin

MrB had a "basically" phase, where he started every explanation with "Basically, ..." I haven't noticed it recently, for which I'm glad.

chicken Tue 13-Sept-16 13:54:12

Yes, also 'different to' instead of 'different from'. I'm an old pedant!

Rosina Tue 13-Sept-16 13:47:06

How about 'I will try AND' when it should be 'Try TO..'. that one makes me twitch - does it irritate anybody else?

aquagran Tue 13-Sept-16 13:46:23

No "p" needed when using the £ sign.

Swanny Tue 13-Sept-16 13:46:23

lizzypopbottle My pet hate is would of, could of, should of.

I agree with you. I can understand that when abbreviated in speech it sounds like would've, could've and should've but that is no excuse for it to be written in full with of rather than have hmm

Lyndylou Tue 13-Sept-16 13:38:49

Earlier this year when I picked my DGS up from school, we would walk up the hill saying his 2 times table and every time I was correcting "for'een" into fourteen. Then my DP and I went to Pets at Home and the bill came to £14.14p When the young assistant said "That will be for'een. for'een please", my DP had to restrain me from leaning over the counter and saying "Listen to Nana It's FOURTEEN FOURTEEN !!"

chicken Tue 13-Sept-16 13:33:28

Times change. When I was at school, I spoke some sentence containing the word "forehead" which I said as it was written, only to have the headmistress tell me, in very icy tones, " It's forrid, gel, forrid". My pet hate is the confusion between I and me and the people who think it sounds posh to use I when it ought to be me!

krysiam Tue 13-Sept-16 13:29:17

My pet hate is starting every response with "So"

LinM48 Tue 13-Sept-16 13:18:28

I am a Cockney born and bred, and proud of my roots, but I still pronounce my T's etc and still correct my adult daughters if they slip into Estuary English (moved to Essex) My biggest gripe more than lazy speaking is lazy spelling .How many times do I wish I could correct Facebook entries , with a big red pen, as basic as there/their/they're and two/too/to.....

maryhoffman37 Tue 13-Sept-16 13:14:03

What a vile comment, daphnedill.

Jaycee5 Tue 13-Sept-16 12:46:04

Antonia Judge Judy always stops people who keep saying 'like' and says 'now say that again without using the word 'like' and people are often incapable of doing it.
I worked with a trainee solicitor who was incapable of saying a sentence that didn't start 'basically'. I told her that it is a doubting word and people want to believe that solicitors know what they are talking about. She said that she didn't know she was doing it.

nanaGill Tue 13-Sept-16 12:38:18

Oh, how I agree with the above, but while we are being 'grammarist', what really makes me mad is when people say 'me and someone' did something, rather than 'someone and I'. It is becoming so common, even with people I would have thought knew better.Grrrr!!!

lizzypopbottle Tue 13-Sept-16 12:21:55

nanasam What about a biology teacher who can't say nucleus? Yes, she said nuculus throughout the topic on cells so a whole set of children every year heard that every lesson!

Jalima Tue 13-Sept-16 12:17:36

I thought her heaving bosom was enough of a distraction from anything sensible she may have had to say, without adding glottal stops into the mix.

Direne3 Tue 13-Sept-16 12:17:03

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Direne3 Tue 13-Sept-16 12:16:06

Tony Blair was a major offender (attempting to be 'street'?)and some his colleagues appeared to emulate him.

lizzypopbottle Tue 13-Sept-16 12:16:03

My late husband was born and raised in Northumberland. That's not 'geordie', by the way. Geordies are from Newcastle upon Tyne. When we were first married, we lived in St. Helens and when his parents visited us they said they had to talk 'posh' to make themselves understood! ?

My pet hate is would of, could of, should of.

Dharmacat Tue 13-Sept-16 12:10:24

Always grates when the weather presenters miss the "t" and often the "d" out of Scotland -comes out as "Scolun". No excuse for lazy speech.

Different "to" instead of "from" and mistakes in the usage of "few" and "less" - singular use of "was " in plural form although "we was " is very much in use in Hull ; could go on .......

Rosina Tue 13-Sept-16 11:55:59

When did the Police become the 'Pleece'? They always are on the TV news programmes. Also 'Nuthink' drives me crazy, along with 'Engerland'.

I agree with Jaycee5; I grew up in the East End of London and cannot remember a single person who sounded like anybody employed in the cast of East Enders! 'Not snobbery - just fact.

Aaggh! It's a hot day and I'm starting to get even hotter thinking about this.

GillT57 Tue 13-Sept-16 11:47:56

I have been known to turn a programme off due to the sloppy pronunciation of a presenter. As others have said, nothing to do with accent ( although I admit some do grate a bit) but it is about dropping consonants, sometimes in a pathetic attempt to come across as cool and 'down with the kids'. I hate to hear wa-er and Sa-urday and bu--er. The most cringeworthy episode was when the glottal stop was faked ( unbelievable)in the ghastly broadcast by the Remain group before the referendum; as if all young people are hip hop fans who strut about talking about 'votin and keepin it real, like. Truly ghastly.