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A glottal stop too far

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thatbags Tue 13-Sept-16 07:58:38

I'm a pronunciation snob. Actually, no, I'm a stickler for articulation. I love hearing different regional accents, but I also like clear speech, speech with well articulated words whatever the underlying accent is. Is it just me or is there an increasing tendency for sloppy speech full of glottal stops where there used to be lovely sharp Ts?

When I read this morning that Angela Rayner, shadow education secretary, said that Theresa May's grammar school proposals, if implemented, would be "de'rimen'al", I cringed. My cringing was not about the effect of more grammar schools, which is a separate issue from what I'm talking about here, but the abuse of the word detrimental.

My hearing is very good (as yet) but I find it takes longer for me to understand sloppily pronounced words. Perhaps it's because too much of my brain is having to translate unfamiliar words into forms that have, to me, greater clarity.

Linsco56 Tue 13-Sept-16 20:34:16

There are certain actors who I refuse to watch, Liam Neeson in particular. His inability to enunciate clearly and poor voice projection does not make easy listening.

However a cut-glass accent grates on my nerves a little, so ideally a neutral accent projected well.

suzied Tue 13-Sept-16 19:33:57

Nothing new here. I remember a boy In the playground (50+) years ago when asked who had hit the ball: " e it it". Also, one of my DC, aged about 5, talking about a classmate: "he says butter without any ts".

Sugarpufffairy Tue 13-Sept-16 19:31:07

I have heard that too Katek.

Sugarpufffairy Tue 13-Sept-16 19:29:40

Daphne dil made a mistake I would presume. It took me a while to work out what was so wrong. I took her to mean the nanny Jo. I could not recall her surname either. I would not have nanny Jo near my kids either.

Katek Tue 13-Sept-16 19:26:48

Apparently the purest English is spoken in Inverness. Just saying!!

Juggernaut Tue 13-Sept-16 19:18:41

daphnedill really needs to check what she's sending before she sends it!
I'm going to be charitable and assume she intended to type 'Jo Frost' not 'Jo Cox', but it was a dreadful mistake to make!

wot Tue 13-Sept-16 19:02:25

The accent on "Brief Encounter" is hideous and reminds me of Harry Enfield!

Direne3 Tue 13-Sept-16 19:00:48

Quite agree with Day6, I call them 'me,me,me' people. Another thing is the number of times that the word but is used on weather forecasts - I find it quite amusing, if distracting, to keep count.

Amie Tue 13-Sept-16 18:53:43

I think we all have our views as to what we feel is acceptable and what is not - be it articulation, grammar or prosody.
From the posts I've read it does sound as if there are many "middle class grannies" (and I am one) who find that some omissions, errors etc really do jar.
Having said that language does evolve; listen to Wendy's voice on the original (1950) Peter Pan DVD and you will find it sounds rather "clipped". RP speech does change over time and whilst I have my minor irritations (bee'root) I have to say that the programme that drives ME barmy is "Made in Chelsea" where there are absolutely no glottal stops to be found! (DIL loves it and I love her so I pretend to enjoy it!)

thatbags Tue 13-Sept-16 18:48:22

nancyma, I find a lot of speaking is too fast as well. It seems to happen especially on radio, as if the programme makers hadn't really allowed enough time for all that needed to be said. Also in films: I often miss phrases or sentences that are muttered at extra speed. Mind you, in those cases, I think it's the muttering (lack of articulation again) as much as speed.

Daisyanswerdo Tue 13-Sept-16 18:21:44

Disgruntled, I'm with you all the way!

nancyma Tue 13-Sept-16 18:18:40

I enjoy all kinds of accents. Language and pronounciation does change or else we would all speak like her majesty in 1953 ! I do find that people speak much more quickly especially in films and I sometimes spend a lot of time 'translating' for DH

Sue162 Tue 13-Sept-16 18:04:29

What about the invasive 'er' used in such words as Wemberley, sparkerling,crumberling amd many others. Perhaps the people who use such distortions need throtterling. grin

aquagran Tue 13-Sept-16 17:27:24

Sorry, thought you required accuracy.

Disgruntled Tue 13-Sept-16 17:21:16

Sorry, I meant Jo Frost.
What about "anythink", sat instead of sitting, lay down instead of lie down, I when it should be me, "I was stood" instead of "I was standing".......
Aaaaarrrrrghhhh, melt down.

Disgruntled Tue 13-Sept-16 17:11:19

I agree, I agree, I agree!
I wouldn't let Jo Cox near any children I loved, Daphne - just not asseptible.
There's a brilliant production on at the Crucible at the moment, set during the Blitz (but it's funny) and I noticed a glottal stop had crept in even there. (It was only the once, thank goodness.)
Your boss, Greyduster, would have driven me bezerk.

Lyndylou Tue 13-Sept-16 16:58:38

"No "p" needed when using the £ sign"

Do you know aquagran, I wrote the comment because I thought it was a funny co-incidence that makes me smile, and might just raise one from some one reading, but after reading your comment, I just wish I hadn't bothered and it will make me think twice about adding comments at all in the future.

Oh and if I want to use the b****y "p" in when using the £ sign I will.

hildajenniJ Tue 13-Sept-16 16:44:31

All his life my Dad said redchester for register. It grated on me, but being the loving daughter that I am, I never corrected him. Then instead of than is my pet hate at the moment, my daughter is guilty of this one. She needed speech therapy as a child, and tried so hard to say everything correctly that I let it slide.

wot Tue 13-Sept-16 16:41:23

A be''er bi' a bu''er is my favourite! (A better bit of butter) I wonder if using the glottal stop would make it easier to learn to speak Arabic?

lindiann Tue 13-Sept-16 16:40:37

To all intents and purposes AGHH!!! Someone at work keeps saying it and it sounds lika All intensive porpoise

gillyknits Tue 13-Sept-16 16:38:28

How about 'bored of' instead of with? Cringe!

TriciaF Tue 13-Sept-16 16:32:58

Like Pogs, it doesn't bother me either. I'm just glad I can hear them at all (starting to go deaf.)Especially if they're Geordie or Northumbrian.
I do get irritated by people writing in textspeak though , but that's a different subject.

Ilrina Tue 13-Sept-16 15:57:38

I agree strongly. Dialect and regional accents are fine, sloppy speech NO NO NO!!!

Jane10 Tue 13-Sept-16 15:54:45

My DH went through an irritating phase of unthinkingly saying 'to be honest' before saying anything. He only stopped when I said that I expected him to be honest so he didn't need to tell me in advance.
Now he seems to talk only in the present tense instead of the past tense when telling me about things that had happened during his day at work e.g. I'm walking in and Jimmy says to me etc etc". Ratty? Moi?

Jalima Tue 13-Sept-16 15:44:41

Zounds loike properr talk POGS