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Katek Mon 22-Aug-16 09:26:22

Help! I'm trying to convert bark chips packed by density (50 litres) to weight. What's the formula? This all started when DH and I were trying to work out best deal....would probably be easier just to take bathroom scales outside and weigh the bag!

Ilrina Wed 24-Aug-16 00:22:18

I didn't say I worried about it Rosina, got enough worries without worrying how my maths skills are !

Rosina Tue 23-Aug-16 16:56:23

If you are a person to whom Mathematics is a black hole, then there is little you can do about it! We all have our talents, and you can always look up conversions on line. 'Don't worry about it!

Charleygirl Tue 23-Aug-16 15:30:36

rosesarered and Auntieflo is there space for one more please? A cup of coffee would be nice also I think.

Ilrina Tue 23-Aug-16 15:18:07

My eyes glazed over too at all these mathematical calculations. I am not thick, but I am the girl who used to have her Maths teacher literally in tears, not because I was being naughty. I simply did not get it!! I must have some blockage in my thought processes where maths is concerned.Never mind I seem to survive smile

pollyperkins Tue 23-Aug-16 14:30:46

I dont agree Crun. Large balls made of same material as small balls will not pack so closely so there will be more space between them thus a bag full of them would be less dense and the mass (more correct than weight!) would be less. Size DOES matter!

Glosgran Tue 23-Aug-16 14:00:26

I've just Googled, 'What does 50 litres of bark chips weigh?' and found this helpful calculator:

www.barksuppliers.co.uk/bark-calc

missdeke Tue 23-Aug-16 13:13:21

www.aqua-calc.com/calculate/volume-to-weight

Dr Google says try this. (must confess as a maths idiot myself I still didn't understand!)

Auntieflo Tue 23-Aug-16 10:34:59

Me too Rosesarered. Don't know how I finished up in accounts, although most of it was common sense. At this moment, we have two men digging up our turf. How long will it take them to fill the skip? smile

rosesarered Tue 23-Aug-16 10:01:36

I need to go and lie down in a darkened room.grin

crun Tue 23-Aug-16 09:43:40

"If you pack ping-pong balls into a litre container, you will get in less weight than if you pack ball bearings into the same litre container (not both at the same time, obviously). The ping-pong balls displace a lot of space between them, and are full of air to start with, the ball-bearings are denser and smaller so more will fit in, so the ratio is different."

Ping pong balls are obviously less dense than steel balls because they're full of air, but their size makes no difference, the proportion of space occupied is the same regardless of size. In the case of hexagonal close packed spheres, 74% of the space is occupied and 26% empty. If you use a mix of large and small, the packing density increases, because the small ones can fill some of the empty space between the larger ones. That why concrete is mixed with sand and gravel, not just one or the other.

Shape obviously matters, because if you use shapes that tessellate like cubes you can achieve 100% packing density. You will only get maximum packing density if the space is packed carefully though, in general the contents are just thrown in, in which case friction and vibration matter too. In order to get a high packing density objects have to be able to slide over one another as they drop down, and as friction prevents this you can assist by vibrating the container, that's why contents settle in transit or when you bang a jar on the table. Flexibility also matters, if objects are flexible rather rigid they can deform under pressure to occupy more of the waste space.

BlueBelle Tue 23-Aug-16 03:10:44

Me too Charliegirl what language is this is in

Ilrina Tue 23-Aug-16 00:13:17

Just don't get them, dreadful stuff.

Charleygirl Mon 22-Aug-16 12:35:01

OMG this is all beyond me- no wonder I fell asleep when maths was being taught.

Katek Mon 22-Aug-16 11:41:47

And we would have been marginally cheaper with the Asda 3 for £10 offer!!

Katek Mon 22-Aug-16 11:39:48

DH has just weighed the bark chips-50litres weigh 26.75lbs!!

Nelliemoser Mon 22-Aug-16 11:36:57

This is what really annoys me with American cup measures It is so difficult to translate volume.
Imagine how much difference between a volume of a large shaped pasta and how much of the small Orzo pasta would fit into a cup measure.

Katek Mon 22-Aug-16 11:34:13

Only in the case of pure water hilda as it all depends on the density(?) If you fill a litre jug with feathers and another one with sand they will both be 1 litre by volume but will be totally different weights.

Elegran Mon 22-Aug-16 11:32:38

It is a millilitre of water that equals a gram. Water packes down into the space available to it, so it is a constant ratio.

If you pack ping-pong balls into a litre container, you will get in less weight than if you pack ball bearings into the same litre container (not both at the same time, obviously). The ping-pong balls displace a lot of space between them, and are full of air to start with, the ball-bearings are denser and smaller so more will fit in, so the ratio is different.

hildajenniJ Mon 22-Aug-16 11:32:01

Thanks Riverwalk. I never was very good at maths! ?

hildajenniJ Mon 22-Aug-16 11:30:23

this might help Katek.

I'm getting myself all confused now ??

Riverwalk Mon 22-Aug-16 11:30:05

hilda 50 litres of fluid weighs 50 kilos but the weight of a container with 50 litre volume capacity would depend on what was in the container.

If it was full of feathers it would weigh less than bark.

hildajenniJ Mon 22-Aug-16 11:21:01

Isn't the metric system simple? I always though a millilitre was equal to a gram. Therefore 50 litres ought to weigh 50 kilogrammes.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I understood the metric system.

Elegran Mon 22-Aug-16 10:36:03

It depens how big the chunks of bark are. Bigger chunks don't pack down as neatly as small ones so you get less weight in the same volume.
Give up and put the bag on the scales.

M0nica Mon 22-Aug-16 09:54:58

weighs not weigh

M0nica Mon 22-Aug-16 09:54:23

I do not think there is a formula. You need to find out how much a litre of condensed bark chips weigh and multiply by 50.