Petra, well said. Like you I have worked in the real world all my life (engineering/manufacturing) but always found the vast majority of my colleagues to be very pleasant and supportive when needed. On the other side of the coin, my daughter works for a council and it could not be more different, sounds a horrid place to work, very competitive and unpleasant, she always seems to be watching her back. I guess I was lucky (as was Mrs P (not for marrying me, but for the great company she worked for). Both Mrs P and myself still socialise with our old work colleges regularly.