Woman's Hour

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sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

to whom it may concern...

Things are a lot better for women now. Even Germaine isn't anywhere like as militant as she was.

marmark1 Children have a father - when do they come into the picture or is it only women who should expect to give up their studies, careers and other non-domestic interests when they have children?

Describing feminists as "insecure fanatics" is ridiculous and insulting. The fanatics are the men who respond to perfectly reasonable requests that women be treated equally by hurling disgusting abuse and vile threats at them. When Caroline Criado-Perez and Stella Creasey mounted a campaign for women to be represented on our bank notes, they received a deluge of mail threatening them with rape and death. This is reminiscent of the sort of attitudes prevalent in countries like Saudi Arabia and in my view they have no place in modern society.

You seem to be suggesting that women are under-represented in every sphere of public life because they are weak and incapable. I would suggest that if men received threats, abuse and ridicule every time they called for change, they wouldn't be quite so strong and confident either.

And they changed to the weekday morning long before the advent of listening on 'catch-up'.

But why do they put the programme on in the morning, on a weekday? I would have thought the ones most interested in feminism would be at work.

I find watching BBC tv programmes these days quite shocking - some days I get the vapours and need to loosen my stays and get DH to fetch the smelling salts.

I mean, they have men cooking - lots of them!
They even had a man on a sewing programme (and very dishy he was too, if that's not a sexist remark).
I even noticed women students on University Challenge - since when were so many women allowed into universities?
And the BBC allow women to present programmes (other than Woman's Hour).

What is the world coming to?

ps I do like the mix of topics on here, which shows what adaptable, diverse, well-informed people Gransnetters are

Margret Thatcher wasn't a feminist.Love her or hate her,she was one hell of a person.A person male or female,can be what they want to be in today's world.But if a woman wants to be a mother FIRST,that's a very responsible job.A strong ,capable ,confident person doesn't need a group to back her or him.The last thing women need today is insecure fanatics browbeating them into doing things they've no real interest in.

"Feminism past its best" ??? Germane Greer et ? Tell that to the young women suffering everyday sexism at work. It's great to have a mix of topics on Gransnet, I frequently join in on the style and beauty , house and home issues, they even talk about those things on Woman's Hour as well. Doesn't mean that this is all women are interested in.

I have not the slightest interest in listening to a radio programme or watching a TV programme about "domestic issues". And if Gransnet was dominated by domestic-type threads, I wouldn't bother looking at it.

There are several general interest and light hearted threads, but I would not describe them as "domestic".

jingle That may be your opinion but it is not the opinion of many women (and men). Did you see the recent programme "Britain's Biggest Sexists"? It certainly left me in no doubt that feminism is needed as much today as it ever was.

And feminism has definitely gone past its best. In fact it did years ago.

I agree totaly with the OP. Everything has gone far too 'heavy' where women are concerned these days. It goes for Womans Hour (although that's always been the same, at least for the last forty odd years) and for Gransnet too.

Obviously we need to have threads marking huge occurrences in the world today, but I don't think we need to be complete sober-sides either.

Btw, my passport hasn't got anyone's pictures on it. Just me and a seagull.

Does anybody else remember "Music While You Work"?
I love the thought of "urban working women" enjoying equality in the workplace while Jenni Murray blasts forth in their chic urban offices.
Surely WH is aimed at people who are to listen to it?
Feminist agenda? No, issues which are relevant to women (and often men) in the 21st century.
No Radio or TV programme can please all of the people all of the time which is why some cunning boffin (I do hope a woman) invented the "off" button.
As for getting women to study engineering I so agree -with it, I mean.
In the meantime Apricot try visualising some fluffy kittens, know your limits!

JessM

Yes, that's the bit that got me as well Elegran - which 'domestic topics' does the OP consider dominate MN and GN?

If that type of topic did indeed dominate this site I doubt whether it would have such a large membership...

I don't know how long ago it was that the Op left work - but sexism and unequal pay and opportunities are still problems that are very much alive and kicking - along with men taking the credit for work done by females, and women losing their jobs because they are pregnant.

"the domestic topics which dominate Mumsnet and Gransnet." ? Clearly you have missed some of the more dominating dominant threads!

Yup it's all knit your own moustache, let your menstrual blood run free and castrate your sons at birth on the BBC these days. Can't think what's got into them. They are even letting women participate in some of those comedy quiz programmes. Definitely a waste of our licence fees.

www.grannynet.co.uk/

I think you'll like it here, apricot

hhahaha! What a wind up merchant u are apricot R u trying to 'out' the feminists, as if it was something to be ashamed of, or were you pulling out the trad women so they would look a bit silly?

Why would WH have a target of urban working women when they are the ones who would be out at work when it's on?

getting girls to study engineering
What is wrong with that - a jolly good thing it is too (we have one of those in the family!)

There must be something else on local radio at that time?
Or Ken Bruce with a pop quiz??
Or play a CD?

I think that Womans Hour is a reasonably interesting mix of womens 'issues'
And domestic stuff.Actually,we do need to encourage women to be engineers and architects and so on, and there are plenty of them who have the potential but are steered away from it.

Oh My, is this a wind up. Even if the OP is a wind up, Marmark1 is expressing anger at these uppity women who still ask for equal pay and opportunities despite having the vote. How very dare they! If woman's hour is so distressing for you, listen to radio 5 at ten o'clock. Since that uppity Victoria Derbyshire left, we have the chaps in charge again. I like radio 5, despite being a feminist and radio 5 being a bit, well, sport and lad dominated.
No one makes anyone listen to radio 4, to woman's hour or indeed to anything they don't like. Hallelujah for freedom of speech and listening

Jingleb, I wish I knew you