Refugees

alarming, I meant.

There you go again with your assumptions, durhamjen!

I am saying nothing of the sort. You're the one who's advocating 'talking' but although Corbyn is the obvious choice, you don't seem to want him to be the one to go and sort things out with IS...

Can't bomb them as there are millions of civilians still there and around the IS strongholds.

If we do nothing the Syrians will be forced out and add to the refugee crises.

Can't see anyone making sense with the IS at the moment - may do long term. Meanwhile,.......

www.stopwar.org.uk/news/queen-long-to-reign-over-us-the-truth-about-the-monarchy-money-and-guns

Can't ask the royals to go. They are too busy helping to sell guns to the Saudis.

Whitewave, what else do we want Trident for?

If we encourage all the civilians to leave, give them a deadline, then bomb whoever is left? Do you think that will work?
Can't believe there are no SAS there at the moment.

Oh Trident is for THE ENEMY. I am sure there are no civilians and tinies amongst them. You should know that dj.
Besides it makes so much more sense to spend the money on an update no-one wants or will use rather than fitting our new aircraft carriers with the appropriate stuff, like aircraft

No-one is going to ask the Syrian civilians to leave as no-one wants to deal with the problem so that won't work.
Perhaps the Saudis will overlook the difference in religion as we are doing and offer massive help. Like that is going to happen.
We are stuffed!

Would we have wanted to make friends with the Nazis?

jingle - our abdicated king did make friends with the Nazis and our government tried to appease them. it think invading Poland tipped the attempts at negotiation or appeasement into the water, so to speak and WW2 followed.

I apologise if I've offended anyone. This subject is just so difficult isn't it. I understand why it becomes polarised (here on gransnet) but I do so wish some kind of international efforts could be made out there in the RW. I don't honestly mind who brokers any kind of peace but that's what's needed. By the way - there seem to be suggestions on this thread that refugees can't be sent to Eastern European countries because of racism ( petra ) and that the racism in the Eastern European countries is down to the lack of jobs for people in eastern europe (durhamjen).
I don't want to add fuel to the fire here, but my earlier impressions have been that petra takes a position slightly to the right of durhamjen. I do hope that out there in the RW some political or diplomatic efforts can be made to bring a semblance of 'normality' back to Syria so that not all their educated, able people flee.

I've just been watching the chaotic scenes at the railway station on the Croatian border. Hundreds of young men trying to board a train and some of them carrying young babies in front of them. Not a woman in sight. Where are the mothers????

There were also scenes the other day of men holding their babies and toddlers above their heads in the hopes of getting to the front of the queue. Some of the children were screaming in terror.

They may be desperate but I can't feel much sympathy for a man who uses his terrified child to gain an advantage.

I simply can't bear it.

harrigran Nobody on Gransnet has yet defined who these fleeing young men should be fighting for or against.

I meant after the war Iam64. When we knew what the Nazis were capable of. Just as we know what the IS is capable of.

And I do know know my history thank you.

If they don't want to fight eloethan, why should they have to fight for anyone? If they stayed they would be conscripted by the Assad regime. Who would want to do that.

durhamjen. I can't believe, with all the reading you do, that you don't know the SAS are in there. They are under the command of the Americans.
They were very involved in the killing of that high profile isis commander.
The one that arranges (that would be arranged lol) all the oil sales.

What we need to understand with the Middle East is the 'bigger picture' as defined by Osama Bin Laden and picked up and run with by ISIS. The plan is to topple each of the countries within the Middle East one by one to create the Caliphate. This action is not for religious reasons, but to control the vast oil and gas reserves that these countries hold, in doing this they can control and basically cripple the economies of the West. The UK gets much of its oil and liquid gas from this region.
The terrorist attacks threatened and carried out in the west are probably diversionary tactics whilst their main objective carries on.
This is why western governments are striving to find alternative power sources ASAP.
Those who travel to Syria for religious jihad are being misguided, the fight by ISIS is nothing more than economic control by the Sunni Muslim extremists. One saving grace may be the tribal and sectarianism of the region.
ISIS did not start the problem in Syria, this started by one of two hypothesised issues (over zealous military or push for social reforms), however to the dismay of many Syrians, they paved the way for ISIS, who were already in Iraq to move in and so began their caliphate bid.
If ISIS is defeated it may reduce the global risk, but some other fanatics may pick up the baton as ISIS did with Al Qaeda, and the internal conflict within these countries aside from the ISIS fight will probably continue due to multi-sectarianism within the region. This multicultural/sectarian tension may now be being stoked within the west, people do not lose their prejudices by moving locations.

You can't say it's not religious with IS! They don't believe anything before the time of Mohammed should exist. Look what they're doing to the museums.

Interesting joelsnan. Any idea what could best be done?

You took me seriously, petra?
I'd better stop joking about bombing and SAS. You never know who else is reading this.
The first Gulf war, the plane that stopped in Kuwait and handed over all those human shields to Saddam only did so because there were SAS on board.
I'd rather the SAS were not under the command of the US.

It started because of cruel response by gov forces to demonstrators against the state. If the West had armed those first rebels it might have all been over fairly quickly as happened in other states.

IS are just getting a hold wherever they can now. And they are in cahoots with Al Quaeda, who have not gone away. That's why it's such a mess.

The West had lost it's taste for war by the time Syria kicked off. Unsurprisingly.

"This multicultural/sectarian tension may now be being stocked within the west, people do not loose their prejudices by moving location"
Exactly why I don't want these people in the UK.
I know many of you mean well. But believe me, when you see what is going to happen in Germany in the not too distant future you will be very grateful for that 22 miles of water that keeps us safe.

Jinglebellsfrocks
Yes, these countries will continue to be Muslim countries, run on strict Islamic Sharia lines, however the religious dimension to this conflict is secondary to the main economic control or strangulation of the West by control of oil and gas.

I'm not sure how you can know that. They are religious fanatics.

I'm not excusing them btw! No way.

The bulk of the refugees from Syria simply want a civilised and safe life. They will not be bringing prejudices with them.