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Katek Fri 28-Aug-15 08:32:59

I could hardly believe it when I looked at the news on my phone this morning to discover that 70 people had died in the back of the lorry in Austria. It's appalling, how can one human being allow this to happen to another?

Ana Tue 08-Sept-15 15:42:32

The refugees aren't, obviously, but IS is quite likely to be doing so.

merlotgran Tue 08-Sept-15 16:09:35

We shouldn't bury our heads in the sand over this. IS attrocities are carefully planned. Nobody knows whether or not they are taking advantage of the refugee situation.

petra Tue 08-Sept-15 17:23:56

Denmark is changing some of it's policies towards refugees (in the Daily Wail ) today. They are cutting 'social benefits' by 50% I think that means money.
No bringing in other members of your family until you have resided there for a year. And, you will learn Danish.
And we are the nasty country?

durhamjen Tue 08-Sept-15 17:41:52

"First- and second-generation immigrants form 12% of Denmark's 5.6 million population.

New rules reducing the benefits that asylum seekers can apply for were approved in July.

Single asylum-seekers without children will receive an integration benefit of 5,945 kroner (£582, €985) a month before tax, instead of the previous 10,849.

Married couples with children are able to apply for 16,638 kroner monthly, instead of the previous 28,832.

Immigrants who pass a Danish language test are to be entitled to a 1,500 kroner monthly bonus."

Strangely, Denmark is now governed by the right wing.

The language test for immigrants has always been the case. It's not new. Once they have passed a language test they get more benefit.
How many people on here think that all immigrants coming here should have to learn English? What's the difference, apart from the fact I have never heard anyone say they should get more benefit if they pass a language test.

Asylum seekers in this country get £35 per week plus shared accommodation. Sorry, but we still are the nasty country.

durhamjen Tue 08-Sept-15 17:46:08

www.google.com/url?q=http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/03/denmark-refugees-immigrants-welcome-asylum&sa=U&ved=0CBAQFjAEahUKEwiJtOmn8efHAhVG6RQKHXHrAA4&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNF-jh8T-FOPua9K3rjDRC6lhIB-6g

Refugees are welcome in Denmark, by the people of Denmark. This is why.

petra Tue 08-Sept-15 17:51:54

So why aren't more migrants trying to get into Denmark instead of here. Obviously it's a lot easier logistically

durhamjen Tue 08-Sept-15 17:55:22

They are. Lots of those going to Germany continue up to Denmark and Sweden. The good things do not get in our papers.

durhamjen Tue 08-Sept-15 17:58:12

www.thelocal.dk/page/view/danish-police-close-motorway-as-refugees-march-to-sweden

Ana Tue 08-Sept-15 17:58:41

Good things?

TerriBull Tue 08-Sept-15 18:36:11

According to today's Independent, the Danish government are placing advertisements in newspapers in Lebanon discouraging potential migrants who are contemplating going to Denmark.

rosequartz Tue 08-Sept-15 18:41:25

There is also this link djen
Not really welcoming the refugees with open arms.

[http://www.thelocal.dk/20150907/denmarks-anti-refugee-ads-published-in-foreign-papers]

TriciaF Tue 08-Sept-15 19:41:51

Denmark is a small country with less than 6m people.

Ana Tue 08-Sept-15 19:51:43

Yes, the UK is more than three times the size of Denmark, but the population density per square km of the UK is 262.00 compared to Denmark's 130.90.

So they have more space for extra people.

durhamjen Tue 08-Sept-15 19:52:09

Yes, I've read it, rose. As I said above, this is the new right wing government saying that. There was an election in July, I think, and although the previous PM, Kinnock's daughter in law, leads the biggest party, the right wing formed a bigger coalition.
However, Denmark still takes in more and give more to refugees than this country does.
The link you gave is the government response; the link I gave is the people's response. Just as I do not wish my name to be linked to Cameron's response, my Danish family do not wish to be linked to the Danish government response.
By the way, it's best not to put brackets round links, as they do not come up with brackets.

Ana Tue 08-Sept-15 19:56:37

They do with double square brackets. But there's no need any more since GNHQ updated its link 'friendliness'!

POGS Tue 08-Sept-15 20:29:50

Lucky girl

'Do people really think refugees are aiming to infiltrate the west with terrorists'

At the beginning of this year both the governments of Libya and Egypt gave warning of this happening.

I think it is more likely this is happening than not. Why wouldn't IS do it, after all Europe has made is so easy to do.

durhamjen Tue 08-Sept-15 20:32:13

They might not have done, but they certainly will now Cameron has told them he killed some of them.
I read today that one of the ones he said he'd killed last month was supposed to have been killed in July.

Ana Tue 08-Sept-15 20:35:06

This is getting laughable - 'he' killed them did he? Personally?

merlotgran Tue 08-Sept-15 20:42:50

I've always thought we give away far too much information. Is a blow by blow account necessary when national security is at stake? Did RAF Waddington have to me mentioned?

etheltbags1 Tue 08-Sept-15 20:57:25

pogs I was told today by a local person that many people are saying we will be invaded by terrorists and people are scared.

petra Tue 08-Sept-15 21:32:45

And I live very close to Foulness Island where the MOD do a lot of testing. What if these Aliens get on to the island and steal bombs.
I'm going to build a shelter at the bottom of the garden. ��

vegasmags Tue 08-Sept-15 22:17:58

This is a link to a story in the Manchester Evening News about a recently arrived Syrian man, who fled in fear of his life after the murder of his brother, leaving his wife and baby behind.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/syria-manchester-how-refugee-suffered-10007572

His video interview is very moving, especially when he describes what he calls the 'holocaust' of Syria.

Penstemmon Tue 08-Sept-15 23:18:02

Did you ever think that the reason that Denmark is not densely populated is because the land is not hospitable due to the climate?

durhamjen Tue 08-Sept-15 23:30:03

It is quite densely populated, 650 psm in UK and 333 in Denmark. I would not call that sparse. It's just a very small area compared to here. It consists of lots of small islands, but that does not make it inhospitable, any more than Scotland. In fact it is flat like East Anglia, so good for growing crops, etc.
What makes you think the climate is worse than here? My son has been on holiday there, and it was 27 degrees most of the time when it was raining and miserable here. I think you have the wrong country, Penstemmon.

Anya Wed 09-Sept-15 01:57:49

And what happened to the wife and baby I wonder?