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12Michael Wed 26-Aug-15 07:48:59

Just seen the latest proposal of that possible Labour leader he wants women only carriages n trains, some of his ideas are stupid hope he does not win, because things like renationalisation of rail etc costs money, to pay for most of his ideas in his world , it would increase the basic rate of Income Tax to 35%.

POGS Sat 29-Aug-15 15:52:02

DJ

'You always bring up Labour and PFI'

What the hell are talking about. If it is relevant to the thread of course I will.

YOU brought up the subject of Labour and PFI in your posts of Thursday 27th 11.06 and 13.42.

Like another poster who showed a slight upset at having a link they put forward debated/discussed/spoken of/challenged. I will say this. If you provide a link then expect it to be mentioned on a thread. If you don't want it spoken of simply stop posting links.

Anya Sat 29-Aug-15 15:37:38

A JC moment

This much is true, that I cannot deny.

Gracesgran Sat 29-Aug-15 15:35:38

Good quote Jen.

rosequartz Sat 29-Aug-15 15:31:42

I think his family is posher than the average, anniebach
This was where he grew up:
www.shropshirestar.com/news/2015/08/25/jeremy-corbyn-had-country-bumpkin-childhood-in-shropshire-manor

The sort of childhood most of us could only dream of ( or read of in Enid Blyton books)

I did think that Adams Haberdashers' school was fee paying but I could be wrong.
It always seemed posh to me (I grew up not far from there) - and I went to a grammar school!

Anyway, it is what he is now and what he believes in that is important. However, that is all a product of his life so far.

durhamjen Sat 29-Aug-15 14:41:03

"In Britain the split loyalties of the major political parties have created a hybrid system of public provision. If it left public services intact, the party in power would be roasted by the corporate media, but if it attempted full-scale privatisation, it would be booted out of office. So the last Conservative government devised a plan that would keep both sides if not exactly happy, then at least totally bewildered. They called it the private finance initiative, or PFI. Corporations would build and run our schools, hospitals, roads and prisons, and rent them to the state. This, the Tories maintained, would enable costs to be cut, while ensuring that public services remained free of charge.

At first Labour opposed this scheme. Alistair Darling warned in opposition that "apparent savings now could be countered by the formidable commitment on revenue expenditure in years to come". But as the 1997 election approached, Labour sought to prove that it was more sympathetic to business than the Tories were. Two months after the party took office, the health secretary, Alan Milburn, announced that "when there is a limited amount of public-sector capital available, as there is, it's PFI or bust". From then on, the only money the NHS could rely on for capital projects belonged to the private sector."

durhamjen Sat 29-Aug-15 14:33:39

You always bring up about Labour and PFI.
If it's such anathema to Tories, why did they start it, and why is Osborne continuing it, having signed 71 new PFI contracts in the first two years of the coalition government?

POGS Sat 29-Aug-15 14:21:34

'Don't care where he came from, it's where he's going that counts'.

Pity that sensible remark doesn't apply across the board .

I would like a 1£ for every time I read a vitriolic comment that uses inverted snobbery to make my point.

As for Corbyn on PFI I agree with him Labour should apologise. I also agree with Sadiq Khan who stated 'It really was our mess'. (Mind you Khan is like flip flop Burnham, change their view to fit with an interview or where they think they will give a sound bite to make them look good).

It wasn't PFI necessarily that causes the problem it was the signed off contracts Labour allowed to go through with total disregard to costings, we all know the horror stories of £100 to change a light bulb scenarios. In other words profligate spending.

I know and fully expect to read a retort to this but here goes. Corbyn said it's like 'Buying your house on a credit card' , that's how I feel about PQE to be honest. I note he also said it is a "proposal' so like the 'consultation' on female only carriages it may come to nothing anyway.

rosesarered Sat 29-Aug-15 14:18:49

If he does become leader, will we see a change in his dress sense?

rosesarered Sat 29-Aug-15 14:17:49

Wearing a vest underneath a shirt ( and the vest shows) on someome like an
MP is a statement, just as much as anything else.It shows he is aligning himself with ' the common man' ( Rab C Nesbitt?) It's the same as Wilson and his pipe and raised pint of bitter.

Anniebach Sat 29-Aug-15 11:56:17

Posh? He went to a grammer school and a polytechnic, his father was an engineer, his mother a maths teacher , just a middle class family with brains

rosequartz Sat 29-Aug-15 11:45:46

Nothing wrong with a suit from M&S or wherever, provided it is made in Britain of course, or at least not in a sweatshop.

trisher Sat 29-Aug-15 11:45:21

There is a difference between a "carefully cultivated image" and a makeover by spin doctors. The former still stems from the honest beliefs of the person, the latter means someone is trying to pull the wool over your eyes. Come to think of it most of us probably cultivate an image. I certainly dress to give certain ideas about me. Posh people can be socialists-Tony Benn for example. Don't care where he came from, where he wants to go is what counts.

rosequartz Sat 29-Aug-15 11:42:53

Ps do you mean like the suits that Tony B, Gordon, Ed Balls, Lord Mandelson, Lord Prescott et al wore and wear still?

Of course you're right! Wearing suits didn't mean they had a grasp of economics.

Eloethan Sat 29-Aug-15 11:36:34

And having Saville Row hand made suits makes you a more intelligent, trustworthy and decent person does it?

rosequartz Sat 29-Aug-15 11:35:27

trisher it's a carefully cultivated image, and I hope if JC bought a suit it would be a British made one, as much of Savile row has been bought up by foreign investors.

Underneath that 'man- of- the-people' exterior Jeremy is quite posh.
(If not an aristocratic then certainly posher than most of us, me anyway).

Let's hope the vest wasn't made in a sweatshop by slave labour.

trisher Sat 29-Aug-15 11:27:08

Just found my profile page-never knew it was there- hey-ho!!!

trisher Sat 29-Aug-15 11:24:22

So having Saville Row hand made suits means you are better at economics/government? In that case let's all go back to doffing our caps and curtseying to the aristocracy, who must have known what was best for us all along, and weren't the money grabbing, thieving, exploiting b-----ds we took them for. Why can't people recognise someone who hasn't been made over by the spin doctors? Does no-one remember how Mrs Thatcher was transformed? I'd rather have an honest vest than a deceitful suit.

rosequartz Sat 29-Aug-15 11:07:24

I don't think talking about JC's vest is frivolous - don't you think a person's attire says something about them?
First impressions and all that!

Would he wear his vest with a shirt over the top if he were to become PM? Perhaps for an audience with HM (before he makes her redundant?) Or meeting with foreign dignitaries? I suppose better than a bare chest like some I won't mention.

Are his economics as sloppy as his dress sense?

soontobe Sat 29-Aug-15 10:47:34

He starts a new thread every morning.

Gracesgran Sat 29-Aug-15 10:30:27

Oh - I thought he might be hiding smile

thatbags Sat 29-Aug-15 10:09:49

X posts, STB

thatbags Sat 29-Aug-15 10:09:31

I can't even look at my own profile page. I suspect there's a big blip in the system, maybe something to do with that hacking over on the Other Place.

soontobe Sat 29-Aug-15 10:08:14

There is a thread about profile pages. There seems to be a gransnet glitch.

Gracesgran Sat 29-Aug-15 09:37:31

What makes someone's profile page "not available". 12Michael'scome up with this.

rosequartz Thu 27-Aug-15 19:18:00

He does have a certain je ne sais quoi

(Better now than he looked a few years ago)