This made me CROSS (shouty capitals)

no wanderings- just similarities and relevance.

Ana why is it when someone answers a question with an example you accuse them of changing the subject of the thread? You might also like to look at the origins of ISIS and where their arms came from. Western interference in the Middle East has always taken the form of finding something to blame and making them into something to frighten the public with. It used to be Iran, whilst this was happening we backed Saddam Hussein and watched as he used chemical weapons against the Iranians. Then he became the bad guy. After the Iraq war it was Assad in Syria. Now it's ISIS, forgive me if I don't join in the hysterical panic about them, for all I know tomorrow they might be our closest ally

I am not refusing to see anything granjura. I just can't see how all this about the US and white supremacy groups is relevant to the subject of the thread. Although I do of course accept that threads wander...

A great book to read is 'Mudbound' - just post war, so about 60 years ago- about a young black soldier returning home to Alabama after being a hero in Europe...

Ana- because of the similarities- which you obviously refuse to see. Actually, in the Southern States, White Christians treat Black Christians as heavens and trass- so perhaps even worse- as they are supposed to be of the same faith.

Leave you to it.

I agree with most of what you've said Granjura.Your obviously a very informed woman. I have lived in a southern state all of my life and if I thought the haters were the majority I wouldnt live here.

This thread isn't about the USA and/or ethnic cleansing. Why are you trying to make it so?

Ana White Supremacists in Southern States certainly aim to get rid of the black population- that THEY brought over via the disgusting slave trade! Call it ethnic cleansing if you wish.

But what has this go to do with Islam? White Supremacist have wanted to, and taken over, large parts of the world for many centuries. Remember the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the Raj, the 'rape and pillage' of Africa, the Slave Trade, and so much more. Now those were perhaps more closely linked to Christianity (arguably... perhaps) and in the name of, than ISIS has to do with Islam.

As far as I'm aware, none of the groups you mention want to take over the world, which is the declared intention of ISIS.

There are at least 19 known violent white supremacist groups in SC, and it is one of 5 USA states that do not have a legal law against 'hate (racist, anti-gay, etc) crime.

White supremacists and hidden forms of the KuKluxKlan are very much alive and well in South Carolina and other Southern USA states- and it is NOT a minority view, even among officials and politicians, the police force, etc. Saying otherwise is hugely naïve!

I guess that no one knows what it's actually like being Muslim in this country in the way that we don't know what it was [or still is] like to be black or what it was like to be gay up until quite recently, when it was possible to be open about ones sexuality.

But Isis isn't the muslim religion any more than David Kuresh was the Christian religion. They have taken advantage of the situation in Syria and the Middle East to grab power. Why do people use them as an example of a Muslim country and not one of others? Extremism is a factor in many religions but we don't regard that as typical of that faith.

(to trisher and durj)

No, sorry I can't agree that isolated incidences of murder by members of Christian fundamentalists are comparable to the threat that ISIS poses.

The boy in America is a lone wolf with bizarre out of kilter and ideas with the mainstream, quite obviously unbalanced like so many who go on a shooting spree in the states, they often seem to be of a "type" He wasn't galvanised by a religious ideology, I thought his rationale was completely racial. He is likely to be dealt with harshly by North Carolina state, I think they have the death penalty there and that other white supremacist who killed all those people in Oklahoma a few years ago, I believe was executed.

The thing I find the most disturbing about Islamic State is that they want to dominate the world and force their firebrand religion and way of life on all of us. They want to drag us back to their own version of the Spanish Inquisition The Chief Rabbi, I think his name is Jonathan Sachs, was on Andrew Marr's programme last week and he said that the Christian population in the Middle East per se was down from 20% to 4%, and those 4% live in fear of being murdered.

People often draw analogies between Islamic State and the IRA, and as awful as the latter was I don't think their aims extended to turning Britain into a Catholic state.

I was doing a search for ISIS and funding, and got a message that said there were other links but I could not look at them because of some new agreement between Google and the EU.
Has anyone else noticed that?

Well, that was hardly in the same league as ISIS.

Do you count the Waco seige, or the Oklahoma bombing that followed that?
White supremacy in the US is often led by Christian fundamentalism.

Does Waco and the name David Koresh ring any bells Ana? Christian and not that long ago.

Maybe because Christians aren't known for organising mass outrages against other human beings in the name of their religion - not nowadays, anyway.

Ana- what is the difference between a Muslim young person who distorts what his religion and book says, and goes on a killing spree, and a Christian one? They are all mentally unstable, for different reasons that have nothing to do with their religion. But the way the 'public' sees them is totally different. Why is one a terrorrist, and the other mentally ill?

I have no desire to discuss the death penalty in the US or any other country, I was trying to present a balanced view of Islam and the requirements it makes of those who follow it. Of all the countries where Islam is the main religion only a few have the punishments you have described, so why is this the perceived view of the religion and the aspect you have chosen to focus on?

Probably because he is...

And when a young white male goes into a Church in South Carolina and shoots all black people- and kills so many- do we blame his Christian faith? No we just say that he was mentally unbalanced?!?