Why not just be a humanist?

I think that feminism may have been tainted, due to man fearing[often due to women abuse from men], rather than man hating as such.
And a certain section of feminism are thereby angry.

I cant see that the wrokplace environment is going to change all that much until women do the presenteeism that men seem willing to do[or perhaps are fearful not to do].

I don't think OP meant 'humanist' in that way.

You can't be a humanist if you have a religious faith surely?

https://humanism.org.uk/humanism/

Unless you mean that many (not all) religions have misogynistic tendencies Pickles.
Should this be on the 'Philosophy' thread?

I'm old enough to have been interested in the women's movement in the 60s albeit from the sidelines as I was bringing up three young children. I believed, not in women's liberation, but in women's rights as I was once turned down for a job when at the interview they saw I was wearing an engagement ring. Apparently they had a policy not to employ married women.

Gloria Steinham, one of the leading women in the women's movement said 'I've yet to be on a campus where most of the women weren't worrying about some aspect of combining marriage, children and a career. I've yet to find one where many men were worrying about the same thing.'

That probably still holds good today.

I think we in the UK shouldn`t forget how far we`ve come. At least many of us have the choice to work or not, to take up educational opportunities etc. You only have to think of the Taleban and the dead hand on women in general in some countries to appreciate all that the feminists have fought for here.

My MP is a woman- she has children and is getting divorced. Not surprising really- the job comes first. Fine if you want it, but not many do. My son's friend is male and just managed to get his hours down to only work 3 days a week. Another friend's son works shift work and manages to get several days free with his daughter. These men are never going to be top in anything,but they get a life to do the things that they really want to do. No one gets to the end of their life and thinks 'I wish I had spent more time in the office'! ( or very few)

It is up to the couple. Personally I can't see why anyone wants a top job- it takes over your life. I work to live, I would hate to live to work.
Even if my husband had done the childcare I couldn't have done a top job- I wouldn't have gone to a meeting and missed my child's school play/parents evening/sports day etc you have to ask yourself why you are working if you miss all the important parts of family life. No one is going to give me a top job if I don't put it first.
I count my self the really lucky one- I had years off to look after my children and I was able to work part time. It beats any career.

Good point pompa.

But why isn't being a dad a top job in it's own right?

If household chores and responsibility for looking after children were shared absolutely equally by both sexes, women would not have to make these kinds of choices.

Women sure have had the short straw for many years, this has largely improved, perhaps not perfect yet, but a huge improvement.
However like so many of these things, overreaction takes place.
The talk about needing more women in parliament for instance, ot seems that there is a group the think there should be a more representative number in power. Rubbish ! -- we should have the right people in the right jobs regardless of sex and they should be paid what they are worth regardless of sex (or in the case of MP's 200% more than they are worth )

The reason women aren't in senior position is that historically they haven't had the opportunities to advance, nowadays women are equal in education and opportunity (women in engineering was never heard of a few years ago). I'm sure that as our young women who are career minded will get those top jibs if the deserve them.

Also the very fact that they are biologically women will prevent many of them for aiming for the top jobs. Our own daughter is an example. She has two degrees and has until now been a career driven woman, she has a very senior HR job, but she now has a family and has decided that her life balance does not include any more responsibility in her work life, being a Mum is a top job in it's own right.

Maybe it's because women have had a hard time for a long time. Maybe they [we] have had to shout to have our voices heard.