Women’s Rights

Mr Google seems to think her and her husband have now moved abroad!

Galaxy

I think she is practising from abroad?
It is quite complex, she was suspended, then suspension overturned. Then I think her husband was suspended, then I think they finally revoked her licence because she hadnt practised? or she resigned. So sorry disbarred is probably the wrong word.

No you were right, she was originally disbarred then appealed and won but then she decided not to renew her annual registration then after a couple of years her licence was revoked.

The main case which ended her up in court sounds horrendous! Puberty blockers (which I don’t agree with using for trans reasons) at 16 then all sorts of other stuff, then one very very unhappy patient.

I consider myself fairly open minded and I have no issue with trans adults, BUT other than counselling and perhaps other GP led processes to check mental health and other conditions are/are not present I don’t believe anything should happen for anyone under 18, and I’d like to see that age raised to 21 with support in place for said young people.

I think she is practising from abroad?
It is quite complex, she was suspended, then suspension overturned. Then I think her husband was suspended, then I think they finally revoked her licence because she hadnt practised? or she resigned. So sorry disbarred is probably the wrong word.

Oh I see she appealed and won 😱😱

Galaxy

Yes, webberley wasn't at tavistock, GP then disbarred by nhs and now private practice. I can't really say what I think about webberley as I don't have words strong enough.

I’m about to look her up, but I’m already shocked that someone who has been both discredited and barred by the NHS is allowed to practice privately in this country? Surely this is wrong?

keepingquiet

Thanks- Tavistock. Now totally discredited I believe.

Not totally, as it has closed down (according to BBC News and other online sources) due to concerns raised by both patients and at least one member of staff.

But it seems at two hubs have been opened to deals with Gender Disorders for those under 18 in two different parts of the country.

Thanks for explaining. I tend to agree with you.

Yes, webberley wasn't at tavistock, GP then disbarred by nhs and now private practice. I can't really say what I think about webberley as I don't have words strong enough.

Thanks- Tavistock. Now totally discredited I believe.

Tavistock.

Wish I could remember the name of that clinic- maybe this Doctor worked there. There was an excellent podcast about it maybe a year ago?

Cossy I don't think I would include primary school teachers in this- maybe some secondary teachers and social workers as I have had direct experience of this.

Thank you ViceVersa

Cossy

ViceVersa

Oh, believe me there are definitely people out there telling children they can change sex - and pushing that agenda wherever they can!

Who? If you don’t mind me asking? My daughter is a primary school teacher, in their school they deal with any children voicing preferences, very sensitively and in accord with parents wishes.

No one in their school staff wise would raise these issues unless presented with them by a child and they most certainly do not encourage it.

Google Dr Helen Webberley for one...

ViceVersa

Oh, believe me there are definitely people out there telling children they can change sex - and pushing that agenda wherever they can!

Who? If you don’t mind me asking? My daughter is a primary school teacher, in their school they deal with any children voicing preferences, very sensitively and in accord with parents wishes.

No one in their school staff wise would raise these issues unless presented with them by a child and they most certainly do not encourage it.

I know two trans people, one male to female, the other female to male, both waited decades to take hormones, having been told they have to live their lives (and evidence it) for years as the opposite sex to their biological sex, and have regular counselling before their actual “treatment” to begin.

I don’t pretend to understand it but they are both good people who are now much happier in their day to day lives and have no regrets.

I’m aware this is not the case with everyone.

I don’t think any child should even be allowed to start the counselling part of this until they are over 18, though I’m aware of an autistic child (female) who is 15 and adamant she’s identifying as “he”, has chosen a new neutral name and dresses as a boy.

As they are still going through puberty the parents won’t even consider taking them to see any kind of clinic etc., but they have gone along with this as it upset said child so much I guess at this time it is a “safer” option.

Personally, I don’t know what I’d do, I’m just glad all I had to deal with were two daughters who are gay, one who came out at 14.

These are very good and very supporting parents, whom themselves have good, supportive parents and the grandmother is amazing with all her grandchildren, but in particular this child.

ViceVersa

Oh, believe me there are definitely people out there telling children they can change sex - and pushing that agenda wherever they can!

This was the conclusion made into the enquiry about the clinic which annoyingly I can't remember the name of, and why it was shut down.

I am lucky in that I was born female and have always identified as being so.

I can't therefore feel I can speak with much authority on trans issues, only on the ones that affect me as a woman.

Amongst the trans community I would sense the majority just want to get on living their lives, whilst as in any group of people, there will be activists who will want to push their agenda further than might be considered reasonable by many women. I have come across both types in my time as a Labour activist.

I don't have strong feelings on this, except when I feel the issue is brought to my own door.

Oh, believe me there are definitely people out there telling children they can change sex - and pushing that agenda wherever they can!

I don’t know of anyone telling children they can change “sex”

However, we have had children and adults for decades and decades, rightly or wrongly, believing that their minds and biological sex don’t “match” ie born male or female who genuinely feel inside they are “different” to their biological sex.

Rosie51

What is even more unspeakably cruel in my opinion Galaxy is telling children they can change their sex when anybody with more than one brain cell knows it's impossible. A little boy that likes to dress up in a tutu and fairy wand is still a little boy, just one who has imagination and enjoys pretend in a non stereotypical way.

Who told children that they could change their sex, Rosie?

I think children children should be made aware of normal gendered behaviour. This awareness would not be the same as not allowing children to express their feelings or play roles.

Ilovecheese

I think BP is worried that there will be additional costs to businesses if they have to provide extra facilities. That would seem more important to her than privacy for women.

They've already hammered businesses thus far, I can't imagine they'd lose sleep over adding additional costs on this issue. No! it just smacks of obfuscation.

Why is it that the onus is forever on women to share their facilities whilst men on the other hand have to make no such allowances, for men who wish to present as women. Surely part of their personal spaces could be designated for transwomen, after all under the dresses, anatomically they're the same. It's not as if the very quiet transmen demographic appear to have impacted on them in quite the same way as the more vociferous and overt transwomen almost in an aggressive male like fashion Something to ponder on

Also even if you disagreed completely with me it would be fine. Me and Trisher used to fight like crazy on this subject, I missed her when she went.

Yes I know, cossy, don't worry, I'm just chatting

Please don’t misunderstand me, I do support women’s rights and want to preserve them completely, I want those who feel uncomfortable in shared public spaces to have private spaces, and only have to share other spaces such as changing rooms and loos with other biological women.

Women had to fight hard and long for their rights and said rights shouldn’t be eroded.

Pretty much everyone on this thread has been talking about this issue for years, it is a failing of most political parties, and to be fair large sections of society, it is a discussion on women's rights, it just happens that the labour party failed and are failing on this. The tories in particular Penny Mordaunt, were hopeless at the time too. Badenoch saw the light reasonably early on but then so did Wes Streeting.

I think BP is worried that there will be additional costs to businesses if they have to provide extra facilities. That would seem more important to her than privacy for women.