Girl Guide leader expelled from post.

Trisher their policy applies to leaders as well as members.

And the GRA allows trans people to ERASE their previous aliases. They can get their birth certificate re written. And "dead naming" them is considered "transphobia"

So how do you manage safeguarding if GGs will not allow their leaders to even MENTION that a trans leader may have had another alias that also needs to be CRBed??

Can we just remember that this is children we are talking about not adults. They are boys and girls NOT men and girls. I can't think there are many boys who could or would join a group of girls unless they really felt it was the only place they would feel comfortable. A large group of girls can be quite scary.

I don't understand your last paragraph, Alexa.
Can you explain what you mean, please.

the questionable disadvantage of educating the sexes together.

Doesnt matter whether or not you agree with single sex activities and education, point is that girl guides are advertising themselves as single sex. And that is a lie.

But there is ! Eunuchs lose all sexual orientation . I think.

Thats not what sexual orientation means. It is not the presence of sex organs or sex drive.

"There is no operation that changes sexual orientation"

But there is ! Eunuchs lose all sexual orientation . I think.

"Penetration by a penis isnt the only risk to girls in mixed groups. GGs themselves have in the past championed the benefits of girls being able to develop away from the dynamics of a mixed group"

But these are different considerations. I'd think the danger of men dressing up as girl guides so as to lust after them or rape them in ablutions and changing rooms, is worse than the questionable disadvantage of educating the sexes together.

It would still be a single sex group

How is a group with males and females in it a single sex group?

Intersex is nothing whatseever to do with self ID.

Doctors in the past missdiagnosed it. It is better understood now.

An XXY person for example is not "a bit of both". They are male with a duplicate X.

It would still be a single sex group. Some girls/boys are born with inconclusive genitalulia. Doctors sometimes make the wrong decisions.

Is there an identifiable time during a sex change when a man loses all sexual interest in women?
There is no operation that changes sexual orientation

If so, then her penis is not going to harm any girl who has no penis.
Penetration by a penis isnt the only risk to girls in mixed groups. GGs themselves have in the past championed the benefits of girls being able to develop away from the dynamics of a mixed group

Not that there IS any surgery that changes your biological sex.

A male with breast implants is still male

I think a trans girl would be well on the way to a physical sex change.

Well then you dont understand selfID or the girlguides trans policy!

I think a trans girl would be well on the way to a physical sex change.

Seriously, Alexa?
'sex change' of a physical kind doesn't come into it at all in the majority of cases.
A 'transgirl' guide is quite likely to be a fully intact male, not taking any hormones.
Likewise a 'transwoman' guide leader.

FarNorth, my suggestion was a little simplistic I admit.

Is there an identifiable time during a sex change when a man loses all sexual interest in women? If so, then her penis is not going to harm any girl who has no penis.

Those men who pretend to identify as women are criminals aren't they?

Let's look at a different angle.
Let's suppose that a guide happens to have a girl-penis.
Let's suppose that a biologically female guide feels a lesbian attraction to the penis-haver, and that attraction is reciprocated.
Can you imagine any unwelcome consequences of that attraction - for anyone involved - or for the parents who have been completely excluded from the loop?

This is a comment on that changing room case.

"I was sexually assaulted by a group of high school boys when I participated in a co-ed CHRISTIAN youth camp when I was just 14. The idea that they are all “just kids” so the girls aren’t really under any threat is absurd. I am so disgusted by this idiocy."

It would be tough on the transgenders and I'd hope separate arrangements could be made for them. After all it would only be a small, extra ablutions tent : no big deal.

How?
Leaders are not allowed to admit that their troop has boys in it.
They are not allowed to discusd even amongst themselves the fact that there are boys in their troop.

Take my above example of a girl in care who was previously forced into sex work from a young age who needs extra 1:1 around men due to conditioned sexualisation but is fine in single sex groups.

Now say her group is sharing a camp with a second guides group who have boys in it or male leaders. The first group leaders WILL NOT BE INFORMED that they will be camping with a mixed group. So will not be able to properly prepare and risk assess.

Guides are forcing their leaders to LIE to each other. To parents. To girls who feel uncomfortable changing around boys. And to the public.

Its lies. Transgirls are boys. They should be supported to express themselves as femininely as they like but they are not girls. Liking frocks and "girly" things does not a girl make and guides of all places should know that!

Leaders are being forced to pretend to parents, children, other leaders and the public that groups which include boys are single sex girl groups.

However, if the child identifies as female I am not sure I can understand her worries

I could identify as a leggy, blonde millionairess but it doesn't make me one. Would you be happy to have a man who says he's a woman in an intimate space with your daughter or granddaughter?

Also, they were told that the parents of the other children didn't need to be told that their daughters would be sharing rooms, shower rooms and toilets with boys who identified as girls. Where the hell was the safeguarding in this?

Look up Jessica Yaniv to see where the UK will be heading if Self ID becomes law.

Scouts are OPENLY co-ed. Parents know their child is going to a mixed group.
Guides are SECRETLY co-ed. Parents are not allowed to know if their child is going to a mixed group.

Scouts plan and risk assess for mixed groups
Guide leaders ARE NOT ALLOWED to. They are not allowed to treat mixed groups as mixed groups. Or say they should be planned as such.

My post was in reply to Alexa.

But GG doesn't want anyone to know if a guide, or a leader, is biologically male.

In any case, there would very soon be cries that a separate arrangement is unfair and discriminatory.

Have a read of this story of an 18-year old transgirl who is taking legal action against their high school, because they were asked to change in a separate, enclosed area within the female changing room instead of in the shared female changing area.

womenarehuman.com/man-may-win-lawsuit-demanding-to-change-in-locker-room-beside-high-school-girls-says-aclu/

However, if the child identifies as female I am not sure I can understand her worries

What does "identifying as female" change exactly?

If having boys in guides would change the dynamics of guides then PLEASE explain how having boys who self ID as trans wont do exactly that?

With selfID you can identify as female and be fully physically male without any intention of ever changing that (not that you CAN ever change biological sex, but self ID includes people who never plan to take hormones or have surgery. It also includes people who ifentify sporadically as women, say on Tuesdays only)

With self ID men who identify as transwomen can still demonstrate mysogyny and aggression, and do! See this weeks leeds pride and mamchester protests with transwomen using their male physical dominance to intimidate women and silence and exclude them from speaking at pride (as lesbians)

There is no difference between a boy who self IDs as a transgirl and any other boy! Exactly what does it change? Nothing at all!

Either you are in favour of letting boys in or you arent. Pick and chosing "girly" boys only is nonsense