Hamas is the De Facto Government in Gaza

But hamas will have to accept defeat and know they have no place in any future governance in Gaza.Also disarm of course and give back hostages.

Oh thanks for that. I have never heard of the IRA before you mentioned it.

Galaxy

Oh thanks for that. I have never heard of the IRA before you mentioned it.

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And, of course, alleged murderers became politicians, convicted murderers were let out of jail, but British soldiers still face the threat of prosecution years later.

Oreo

But hamas will have to accept defeat and know they have no place in any future governance in Gaza.Also disarm of course and give back hostages.

It's not as simple as that. What happens then? Will those Israelis who have stolen land give it back? Who will govern Gaza.? If it's Israel then they will probably just take over more land that was designated for the Palestinians and push them into one small area (the camp idea?)

Will Hamas be forgiven for their murderous spree and Israeli soldiers face prosecution?

Quote Allira Wed 30-Jul-25 11:03:29
Will Hamas be forgiven for their murderous spree and Israeli soldiers face prosecution?

Seems Hamas is forgiven, now just hand over the hostages end of , if there is another attack on Israel the blame will be showered on Netanyahu and the cabinet

Of course Hamas will never be forgiven and IDF soldiers act on orders from above.
I said above no decent people want Hamas in government.
The situation is very complex with no easy answers Allira.
How do we rid Gaza of Hamas without killing every man woman and child? They will not give in easily. There are still thousands of Hamas fighters in Gaza.

Quote AGAA4 Wed 30-Jul-25 11:45:12
Of course Hamas will never be forgiven and IDF soldiers act on orders from above.
I said above no decent people want Hamas in government.
The situation is very complex with no easy answers Allira.
How do we rid Gaza of Hamas without killing every man woman and child? They will not give in easily. There are still thousands of Hamas fighters in Gaza.

👏👏👏 I so agree.

We don’t know how many hamas there are left as when the going got tough they likely melted back into the population posing as concerned family men.There will always be a core of total extremists but hopefully they’ll be rooted out.

The Jerusalem Post has said there could be 20000 Hamas still in Gaza. That's a lot. How can they be rooted out? It all feels quite hopeless at times.

I don’t think they can be rooted out , I have always thought there was a large number of Hamas , the crowds when the dead female hostage was driven through Gaza last year, the
crowds mocking the released hostages earlier this year.
Israel has to live with this, God help them

Your lovely Prime Minister will recognise them and pretend it is Palestine as a whole he recognises. Awful man.

nanna8

Your lovely Prime Minister will recognise them and pretend it is Palestine as a whole he recognises. Awful man.

Very unfair post. You can't possibly think that Starmer recognises Hamas.
I didn't vote for him but this is not acceptable.

Recognition gives Hamas massive support, recognition at last for the de facto government run by Hamas.

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

We are just one step from recognizing Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood and all the others as freedom fighters. Maybe a Palestinian state becomes reality, are Palestinians going to accept that, no chance, they want Jews out of Israel.

David What a lot of tosh! Are you deliberately trying to stir the pot with your last two posts ? Tbh I can't see any other reason for such a distortion of what has been announced by France, the UK and today, Canada. The evidence seems to suggest that this Israeli government want the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank.

foxie48

David What a lot of tosh! Are you deliberately trying to stir the pot with your last two posts ? Tbh I can't see any other reason for such a distortion of what has been announced by France, the UK and today, Canada. The evidence seems to suggest that this Israeli government want the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank.

Those who believe that a Palestinian state is going to solve the issue are in fairyland.

Let’s imagine Israel partitioned it might stop the fighting for a while, is that going to stop the extremists attacking what is left of Israel, within a few years we will have fighting on an even larger scale with Iran and the other fundamentalists sponsoring the fighting.

I don’t support Israel it’s an odious regime and I don’t really care if it’s abolished tomorrow, if extremism is allowed to win the whole region will slide into an Iran style fundamentalist states. We have seen that Hamas is willing to sacrifice unlimited civilian lives to stay in power, a Palestinian state will be a big victory for Iran.

Do you really believe it will end there?.

British lawyers have said recognising Palestine as a state would break international law. One of the criteria to become a state is an effective government which they haven't got.

Quote AGAA4 Thu 31-Jul-25 08:57:21
British lawyers have said recognising Palestine as a state would break international law. One of the criteria to become a state is an effective government which they haven't got.

I heard and read the same, I question how governments can agree to attended summits etc with terrorists, can Hamas government ever join with other countries condemning brutality

I think most countries are doing what they can for the people of Gaza. Not all are Hamas. Two million people in Gaza and it's believed 20000 are Hamas.
Pressure needs to be put on Israel to stop them doing any more harm and recognising Palestine as a state may be a last resort.

Quote AGAA4 Thu 31-Jul-25 09:27:23
I think most countries are doing what they can for the people of Gaza. Not all are Hamas. Two million people in Gaza and it's believed 20000 are Hamas.
Pressure needs to be put on Israel to stop them doing any more harm and recognising Palestine as a state may be a last resort

Where are the demands “release hostages now” , no one knows
how many Palestinians are part of Hamas

David49

Recognition gives Hamas massive support, recognition at last for the de facto government run by Hamas.

Did you listen to Lammy’s speech? Doesnt sound like it.

Negotiating with terrorists is sometimes necessary but not always desirable.

The release of hostages is intrinsic to any negotiation, and they could have been released months ago had Israel not broken the agreement made.
Palestinians also need the guarantee that once the hostages are released that Israel will not continue with the bombing and killing of civilians, will allow food through, return stolen land and accept a two state solution.
Personally I can’t see a two state solution as Israel has always been against it.

Though a change of government ( on both sides) might help.