Should we be accepting these behaviours?

It’s gone too far now. That’s never right. In other news today someone transitioning to a female ‘used her penis to rape 2 women’. Consequently she is going to a female prison which some say is worrying. I wouldn’t worry, if she steps out of line I’m sure she’ll get some ‘reassignment surgery’ there.

He will be traced, maybe killed, by vigilantes now that his photo has been published. They may well then discover that he was a harmless, simple person with a tragic life story. Who knows? But they will be able to reflect at leisure after a mandatory life sentence for murder. The publishers of the photo may even bear some of the burden of guilt.

Callistemon21

Germanshepherdsmum

They cannot ensure he does not do this again Calli. He hasn’t committed an offence and the police are satisfied that he doesn’t intend to. I know you don’t like what he does and nor do I but I place weight on the police having spoken to him and taken an informed view. They possess more knowledge about him than we do.

It isn't just the once though, GSM

it's more than one school and a few times.

Poor man probably needs help but I am more concerned about children than a man's rights to wear little girls' uniforms and hang around outside schools.

If he does keep on doing it then, yes, parents might move him on themselves.

I know the area and both schools, this is highly likely.

Germanshepherdsmum

We have a legal system which hasn’t made it a crime for a man to dress as a schoolgirl or to hang around outside a school so dressed unless there is evidence that he intends to commit a criminal offence. The police have spoken to him and don’t consider him a danger. Of course they would have been called as it is worrying to parents. He will attract attention from the mob and that’s why the police have asked for his photo not to be circulated - they are trying to prevent an attack. Do we want to live in a country where people who probably aren’t the full shilling, who haven’t actually committed a crime and there is no evidence they are intending to do so, are spirited away by the police? China and Russia spring to mind.

I tend to that thought. In fact it would seem they have asked not for the pic to be published - which we have effectively done here - because he is vulnerable. Probably known to SSD or MH services.

PS - time to think about language when using certain terms above?
www.theguardian.com/media/mind-your-language/2014/feb/28/mind-your-language-mental-health

The implicit approval of vigilantism and the attempts to link this to trans rights are just despicable.

Good heavens Volver
You may well be playing devil’s advocate…
But you may have bitten off more than you can chew here.
You are being silly, at best.
How on earth is this defensible?
The man is clearly a pervert getting his kicks around kids.

(I’m prepared for the usual usual, so don’t bother)

I certainly don’t link this to trans rights.

volver

The implicit approval of vigilantism and the attempts to link this to trans rights are just despicable.

I in no way approve of vigilantism.

This has nothing to do with trans rights, it’s whether or not the safe guarding of school age children is less than the rights of a grown man to dress up in two different school uniforms (girls) and loiter close to the schools.

And no. I am not supporting vigilantism.
I made that clear.
He obviously needs some sort of intervention

Yes I am worried as I have school age children at schools within a bus ride of the schools mentioned.

Which he would only get if he committed a crime or was considered by medical professionals to be a danger to himself or others.

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

Germanshepherdsmum

They cannot ensure he does not do this again Calli. He hasn’t committed an offence and the police are satisfied that he doesn’t intend to. I know you don’t like what he does and nor do I but I place weight on the police having spoken to him and taken an informed view. They possess more knowledge about him than we do.

It isn't just the once though, GSM

it's more than one school and a few times.

Poor man probably needs help but I am more concerned about children than a man's rights to wear little girls' uniforms and hang around outside schools.

If he does keep on doing it then, yes, parents might move him on themselves.

I know the area and both schools, this is highly likely.

Well, shouting at him to go away and standing firm outside the school could be sufficient to put him off GrannyGravy.

Why should the locals sort him out? Have we descended into vigilantism just because we’re terrified of upsetting agitators? If there’s no law - make one. If someone can actually be arrested and moved on for silently praying outside an abortion clinic, an odd job can be moved on/arrested for behaving like this outside a school. It’s nonsense to expect locals to possibly get a police record for doing the police’s job for them. I am so sick of this nonsense.

FannyCornforth

And no. I am not supporting vigilantism.
I made that clear.
He obviously needs some sort of intervention

Yes, I agree FannyCornforth.

No-one is advocating vigilantism but perhaps standing firm outside schools and letting him know he's not welcome there might be sufficient.

He needs some help.

Some children may just giggle, some may think 'poor sad man' but others might be frightened.
But children rights should be more important than any rights anyone thinks he may have to dress up in a little girl's school uniform and hang around outside schools.

An odd job. You propose a law to ensure that someone can be arrested for that?

Germanshepherdsmum

An odd job. You propose a law to ensure that someone can be arrested for that?

Children's rights?

Too right I do!

FannyCornforth

Good heavens Volver
You may well be playing devil’s advocate…
But you may have bitten off more than you can chew here.
You are being silly, at best.
How on earth is this defensible?
The man is clearly a pervert getting his kicks around kids.

(I’m prepared for the usual usual, so don’t bother)

How is this defensible?

Because we don't live in the middle ages, people are innocent until proven guilty and its generally accepted that you do what the police tell you to do.

It's about time that people who don't run with the pack don't get accused of playing devil's advocate.

Some hope.

I will leave this thread because it’s pointless to continue. My profession upholds the rule of law. It doesn’t support the making of laws to punish unfortunates who the police have interviewed and consider not to be a danger. This man’s punishment, whether deserved or not, will surely follow. Not at my hands though.

volver

FannyCornforth

Good heavens Volver
You may well be playing devil’s advocate…
But you may have bitten off more than you can chew here.
You are being silly, at best.
How on earth is this defensible?
The man is clearly a pervert getting his kicks around kids.

(I’m prepared for the usual usual, so don’t bother)

How is this defensible?

Because we don't live in the middle ages, people are innocent until proven guilty and its generally accepted that you do what the police tell you to do.

According to reports the police have not told him to stay away or warned him and they did not refer to a gender so perhaps he is identifying as a 10 year old girl at the moment.

He has also travelled on the bus used by schoolchildren.

The police have, however, warned concerned parents.

Hang on GSM. I'll come with you.

Good job my DH doesn't work at that school, or he would be looking for an "opportunity " to move this person on. He and the Headmaster once stood at the gates and caught the person concerned for blocking the school entrance. That was perfectly permitted on their part and he never reappeared.

Your reasoned and knowledgeable input is always welcome, Germanshepherdsmum.

Oh Fanny I don’t think you can say categorically
The man is clearly a pervert getting his kicks around kids
I would think it’s much more likely he’s a vulnerable old man with severe mental health problems and for his sake alone he should be kindly moved on The police will surely know if he’s a dangerous pervert
I agree he shouldn’t be there but it should be done kindly unless they know anything to the contrary

Callistemon21

Your reasoned and knowledgeable input is always welcome, Germanshepherdsmum.

Yes, I respect your comments, GSM, always succinct and useful.