Eugenie’s wedding

Your previous posts make clear the extent of your feelings about Dianna, Annie. I'm prompted to respond this time because I find the description "she was vicious" so harsh and unnecessary.

I know you and many others see it differently but my view is that Diana was very young, not worldly wise and had experienced a very difficult childhood. Her parents divorce had a profound impact on her and brother Charles. The reports of the travelling between parental homes, unaccompanied on long train journeys would have most of us grandparents wanting to "do something " if those youngsters had been our grandchildren.
She had low self esteem, psychological difficulties and all the reports I've read point to her discovering that Charles was still involved with Camilla a few days before the RWedding. It's said she went to see her older sisters to say she wanted out, realised she was making a huge mistake, only to be told she'd no chance because her face was "already on the Tea towels".
Charles was much older than Diana but didn't have the ideal childhood himself did he.
Despite their difficulties, it's clear they both loved there children. Diana died very young, leaving her children bereaved at key stages of their development.
They were fortunate in not having to worry about a roof over their heads, or bills to pay but that doesn't mean they were protected from the harsh realities of growing up, especially in the public eye.

He returned to his first love. She took several lovers.
I think there were one or two others as well OldMeg, for instance, Kanga?

sorry Jalima, x posted. Yes, you're right, Camilla wasn't his only lover.

Was Kanga a 'Rebound'?

Oh MissA!!

Poor Kanga, I think she loved him very much as well.
Charles must have had very accommodating friends for them to lend him their wives - droit du seigneur?

MissA

batty, she was damaged, so sad, I doubt anyone could have made her happy, in the first six years of her marriage she loved her husband, loved Manakee, adore Hewitt. Mrs Hoare lodged a complaint with the police because Diana made nuisance phone calls when she was having the affair with Oliver Hoare, she would send the toad Burrell to Khan in the night to take letters, all this she said herself, her attack on Tiggy was because she was jealous of her sons and Tiggy’s friendship. When she died she wasn’t speaking to her mother, sisters, brother, most of her staff had left, poor woman.

Didn't they used to say of the husbands of Charles' paramours, 'He laid down his wife for his country?'

Iam, I do not believe the story that she knew nothing of Camilla untill a few days before her marriage . Yes I said she was vicious and she was, no different to saying a person with a mental illness and attacks people is violent. But is it fair that Charles is reviled and considered by some not fit to be king based on what Diana said? There was never a witness to all her allegations, no one knows when the affair with Camilla started up again, but he said when his marriage had broken down, why can he not be believed yet every thing she said is taken as gospel. I felt sorry for her but I also felt sorry for all the people she hurt.

Poor damaged souls and I mean that very sincerely.
I have been haunted for years by the television footage of the Queen and DofE returning from a long overseas visit and her greeting the QM with a kiss with Charles standing by and her Mother had to gesture towards him when the Queen then gave him a perfunctory hug.

Annie, none of us know what happened in that benighted marriage. All we know is that everyone involved was thoroughly unhappy and totally out of their depth emotionally.
So far as I know, Diana knew he'd had a relationship with Camilla but believed it to be over. The reality is, she was a naive 19 year old. I don't know anyone who believes Charles isn't fit to be king based on what Diana said. Equally, who can believe all said by one or the other of them. She is dead. She left young boys without their mother. It's a tragedy. whoever the 'truth' (apologises I don't mean to use Trumpisms) is - rip Diana and best of luck to her children as they make their way as young adults.

Perhaps the reasons were queenie was groomed for the throne by Queen Mary and Charles by the Queen mother ?

annsixty in contrast to the enthusiastic and loving hugs that Diana gave to her boys when they had been apart - there is no doubt at all what a loving and hands-on mother she was (as far as Royal duties allowed)
www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/gallery/2018062949846/prince-william-harry-sweetest-moments-princess-diana/10/

annsixty I think it would have been vesry distressing for HM to have left her little son for such a long time - but her sense of duty was such that she did. Perhaps she thought that he would hardly remember her and would get upst if she enveloped him in a bear hug - or perhaps she did that when they were away from the cameras and alone.
Things were different in those days, much more stiff and starchy when on duty.

I think Diana was the one to change all that stiff and starchy stuff.
Her emotions were always clearly shown; good or bad.

I agree Iam,but Diana certainly made many, many allegations yet Charles has always remained silent . What of the many people who are against Camilla being queen because of Diana’s claims . And I am sorry but she was still seeking the camera the night she died. And no, I do not mean she deserved to lose her life , that was so tragic. But we will never know had she lived how she would have coped with her sons having girl friends.

Grrrr, I wasn’t going to continue but that photograph on the ship realy makes me cross, Charles was just s few yards behind her and hugged his sons too, but the press choose not to show that.

My father had a posting in Malta at the time of the coronation. I was seven and can remember how popular the Queen (Princess Elizabeth in those days) and DofE must have been when he was stationed there in the late forties. There were pictures of them everywhere, dancing, partying and having fun.

I didn't realise until years later that Charles and then Anne were left in England for months on end. They even had to spend a Christmas without her.

The Queen apparently describes those years as the happiest of her life.

I suppose "leaving the children with nanny" was what they did. Oliver James writes very well about this.

They would be the happiest time of her life, just before she became queen

Charles didn't exactly remain silent though did he? He gave a televised interview to Jonathan Dimbleby where he admitted adultery with Camilla.

It was an ill fated marriage from start to finish whatever the rights and wrongs of both parties which we will never truly know. They managed to produce two fine sons and William especially seems to have made a happy marriage and family of his own. We will have to see what happens for Harry when all the dust dies down.

In fairness he didn’t say anything about his ex wife, he said he did have the affair when his marriage broke down. I certaintly do not condon adultery, I wouldn’t bother to cross the road to see any of the family, years ago I refuse to attend a garden party at Buck House. But I realy think he has paid a heavy price and I was told he was devastated when Diana died. Having mental health problems can be hell but living with someone with mental health problems can be hell too.

I find nothing much to respect in the royal family.

Andrew's behaviour as a "business ambassador" was widely criticised, as were his associations with some very unpleasant people, one of whom was a sex abuser who used bribes and threats to shut his underage accusers up.

The Charles and Camilla tampon incident is, in the grand scheme of things, of no great importance except to demonstrate how their idea of romantic repartee is on the level of toddlers' poo talk. I think it is more concerning that he has tried to influence ministers and governments on many issues whilst still being a member of a purportedly non-political royal family. And that he has befriended and supported some very dangerous people, including Jimmy Savile and Bishop Ball (who he tried to pull strings for in shutting down the paedophile investigation against him), showing at the very least a lack of judgment.

Charles is painted as some sort of inexperienced, innocent romantic who was thwarted in pursuing his relationship with Camilla. In fact, he had had relationships with several women, some of whom were married, before Diana came on the scene, and it was she - being much younger than him and sexually inexperienced - who was naive enough to believe that her marriage would be a genuine one.

Reading through all these posts I’ve come to the conclusion there’s no point in discussion. Minds are made up and people will continue to believe what they want to believe.

That’s not a dig at anyone just an observation.

Eugenie's wedding should be a purely private affair - totally unnecessary to do a carriage ride- a few photos afterwards would suffice.
Charles and Diana were just a marriage that shouldn't have happened- sad for all concerned.