To be furious at further royal privileges

My feminist hackles must be more touchy than yours, Bags!

I think the term 'brood mare' is common currency when referring to royal brides. It was certainly used to refer to Diana. It kind of goes with the territory, and in reality, that's what their role is I'm afraid. All very outdated.

I'd like to bet that her fertility was checked out before the marriage.

Oh not that well worn 'brood mare' phrase again. Why do (some) republicans on here resort to insults just to make the same old point?

I don't take any notice of men making dismissive comments on morning sickness. Like they'd know anything about it?

Is it a republican thing? I object as a feminist because it is used pejoratively about a woman, and I'm sick of women being seen as fair game for sexist comments. I know it's a well-worn term that lots of people accept, and that women marrying into the royal family will be scrutinised for their fertility, but it bothers me. A broodmare with foal at her side is a beautiful sight, but we all know that is not meant when referring to women.

Bags
Of course I,ve never suffered morning sickness, my whole point of referring to her attendance at a sports evening was that I feel it would have shown some respect for the nurse.Would it matter how many times she had attempted self harm, if in fact she did. What is vital to my point a member of the royal family was insensitive enough not to recognize that family's feelings, The morning sickness is a side issue and, quite honestly used by women to berate whenever a mere male criticizes a female. How do the pregnant women in Anglsey feel to know they must put up with a maternity system not considered suitable for a possible future monarch. For what its worth many female historians, including Lady Antonia Fraser refer to royal brood mares on many and diverse occasions. Let me know what the rules are and I will stick by them. OK for a woman to make such a mention but not a male. That is taking feminism to its extreme, oops sorry, am male and shouldn't query what is, apparently an entirely female province.When thing went pear shaped with Diana's wedding she let it be know, widely, she had no option but to undergo a gynecological examination before her engagement to a future king who made it public he, by tradition was entitled to have as many mistresses as he pleased, including yet another royal duchess who cuckolded her husband publicly and unashamedly.
ps
The reference to a genuine university degree was a compliment to her.
Peter

Yes - both monarchists and republicans are known for using the term brood mare. It's outdated and inappropriate, especially when used to put a woman down.

No - most women don't use morning sickness, especially the serious condition Kate had, to berate men or excuse themselves from getting on with life. No sooner was she out of hospital, than she finds herself being wheeled out in public again!

Do you mind if I get back to being a republican, instead of having to keep coming out to defend the Duchess of Cambridge?

Moggsy On your point of feminism. Of course men can be feminists. I'm married to one that would happily hold his hand up to being one. It is not the sole preserve of women to be feminists. It's an attitude of mind, not what gender one is.

Oops "who would happily...."

Freudian slip Butty?

Yes, I have a son who is a feminist and so are his many male friends. Can't speak for the other one - his behaviour is usually women-friendly, but he delights in sexist banter to wind me and his sisters up! Grrrr!

Back to the thread...........

At last, a tiny step forward. On other posts I am berated for fighting for women's rights in the 1970s, long before the word feminist took over said rights. My point wasn't about the individual, it was made to point out the absurdity of a member of the royal family belittling the final and absolute sacrifice of a woman who had been brought up in a family, like my own, where you took full and final responsibilities for your actions. Whether you like it or not many women in the 1970s demanded nothing changed, they appeared to believe they were content with their allocated place in society. their right and l respected their point of view, clearly a one way street. Go back to being a republican and decline to defend the rights of a god fearing Christian Indian family who mourn the death of their daughter whilst living with the very real, to them, shame that their daughter had taken a life, her own, because she was ashamed she couldn't follow in full her parental teaching and upbringing. My beliefs are socialist, republican and dont end at Lands End.
Now lets end this thread with exactly the same sniggers, jokes and other devices that let people believe you cant change the world. I,m too old and too tired to do it. If just one person can see the sense in what this old fool believes in and carries it forward perhaps next year their will be two etc etc.
Peter

MOGGSY , strangerly enough I can see where you you are coming from.

Peter, check back. Nowhere have you been berated for fighting for women's rights. Berated for your diatribes - yes. You're an intellient bloke - these comments won't be the first of this kind of feedback you've received. You can see for yoursef how Gransnetters set out their side of an issue. It's your choice to present your argument with all guns blazing and assume you will get a negative reaction. What do you expect? Treat others as you would be treated, please.

If all you respond with is more ranting, I won't bother reading any more of your posts, either. Sorry!

Thank you Nonu
Whenim64
You have a right to ignore the contents of feedback, please feel free not to read what makes you feel uncomfortable. Ranting, a strange way to describe a post you haven't even to set out an argument or attempted to prove is wrong, or misconstrued in any way shape or form.like I have said, if Gransnet is content to let their grandchildren grow up in an environment when both 16 year old's and university graduates know they face a life, at best at being a freeby shelf stacker, at worst having to rely on food banks to feed their family.so be it. Rant or protest whemin64.
Peter

Children all got degrees and fine adults with great values, thank you, Peter. They did some shelf-stacking and voluntary work, too. My job is done!

'To rant'
verb
[no object]
speak or shout at length in an angry, impassioned way:

Sounds about right....

Oxford dictionary

I've just seen the latest comments on this thread. Merlot you suggest that one of the reasons the monarchy is a good thing is because of all the people it employs. That's true - after all, if one requires a butler to squeeze one's toothpaste then staffing levels would need to be high. But I remember reading a newspaper article some time ago that detailed the wages of royal household employees, and was shocked to see the paltry amount they receive - so whilst enjoying the best of everything for themselves, the royal family deny a decent living to those that work for them.

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Aka
angry, impassioned way , 100% not angry but incorrect!
Thanks for the opportunity to get it right
Many thanks
Peter

Back off and accept your insults, eh, Peter? You have a distorted view of Gransnet and that's a shame, because so many share your concerns. Just not the way you express them. Peace

Its for others to decide whenim64, not me, no smilies please, it seems ok for insults to come my way but not yours and the others who have the absolute gall to make essentially grunting comments but never, ever put forward their own views to be tested by public opinion. My style may not suit you but if the scales of justice are a reality those who put forward reasoned arguments appear to support my anti racist, anti monarchy and anti supremacist views. All I ask is not to be patronized, accused of whatever is thrown my way without justification and to be given the same rights of self expression you demand. One thing I can never be accused of is running with both the hare and the hounds or courting popularity, at the risk of being, yet again, accused of insulting you, read your own posts on this and other threads. No one "owns " this forum, not even the old timers who seem to believe number of posts equals rightness of opinion. Please, no one else point out my " bad manners " for being forthright and not putting important, to me, points in a direct way.
Peter

Peter
I have to say you sound both very angry and very impassioned. And that's fine if you feel strongly about something.
I too have been accused of being 'rude and unreasonable' by a certain someone and I'm neither of those things. So yes, you have a right to state your views, strongly, if that's the sort of person you are and I don't intend to sound patronising.

As a matter of mild interest, men can get morning sickness and labour pains! It's called 'couvade'

Thank goodness my ex didn't know that when I was pregnant, Galen. He would undoubtedly have developed the relevant symptoms.