Sudan.

Britain and the EU pledged to give more than £567 million in aid to Sudan on Tuesday as world leaders met to discuss ending the country’s brutal civil war.

“ Fighting erupted on April 15 2023 between the army, led by Abdel Fattah al-Burhan, and the RSF, headed by his former deputy Mohamed Hamdan Daglo.

In March, Burhan announced the capital Khartoum was “free” of the RSF, cementing his upper hand. But the RSF has since ramped up its attacks in Darfur, launching a fierce assault on El Fasher – the last state capital in the vast western region still held by the regular army.

Aid agency Oxfam said the humanitarian catastrophe caused by the war risked becoming a regional crisis, with fighting spilling into neighbouring countries.

It said that in South Sudan, itself wracked by recent war, “the arrival of people fleeing Sudan’s conflict has put more pressure on already scarce resources, which is deepening local tensions and threatening the fragile peace”.

Michael Jones, a terrorism and conflict research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute think tank, said: “I don’t think it’s particularly likely we will see a military resolution to the conflict anytime soon.”

He said he was also sceptical that any high-level deal or even partition could necessarily halt the killing on the ground.

He said: “There is no automatic reason why some kind of high level political deal will stop violence on the ground.

“Partition might become a reality on the ground given the situation militarily, but I don’t necessarily at this stage see there being a sustainable political resolution that divides the country.

“Particularly as neither coalition is especially stable, so even if it did partition it doesn’t necessarily stop the violence.”

Thanks for the info FGT2.
We contribute to some charity work in South Sudan, which is even lower on the poverty scale than Sudan. The influx of refugees fleeing from the violence in Sudan into the poorer country shows how desperate things are.

The horror of living in Sudan is inextricably linked to the act of seeking asylum; you cannot consider one without the other. There but for the grace of God…

If I were living through that horror, would I want to get out? Yes.

If English was the language I spoke or I had distant relatives in the UK, would I want to go there? Yes.

If there was no legal way for me and my family to escape to the UK, would I consider paying someone to get us out? Yes.

If I had an adult son or grandson and could only gather enough money to pay for him, rather than me, would I do that? Yes.

I would accept that I would die amongst the horror … but I would want him to, at least, have a chance of a future.

When I see the young male asylum seekers who live near me, I don’t think, ‘oh here we we go again; 600 arrived in one day; they’ll need blankets, doctors, dentists’.

I think, ‘I wonder what horror they’ve seen before arriving here and I wonder who they’ve left behind’.

LizzieDrip

The horror of living in Sudan is inextricably linked to the act of seeking asylum; you cannot consider one without the other. There but for the grace of God…

If I were living through that horror, would I want to get out? Yes.

If English was the language I spoke or I had distant relatives in the UK, would I want to go there? Yes.

If there was no legal way for me and my family to escape to the UK, would I consider paying someone to get us out? Yes.

If I had an adult son or grandson and could only gather enough money to pay for him, rather than me, would I do that? Yes.

I would accept that I would die amongst the horror … but I would want him to, at least, have a chance of a future.

When I see the young male asylum seekers who live near me, I don’t think, ‘oh here we we go again; 600 arrived in one day; they’ll need blankets, doctors, dentists’.

I think, ‘I wonder what horror they’ve seen before arriving here and I wonder who they’ve left behind’.

So they leave their women and children behind and just run away.

But why are the young men leaving women, children, babies to their fate, LizzieDrip.

What kind of men are they to do that, leaving their little sisters to be starved, raped?
Cowardly.

This is truly shocking and has gone on for far too long, barely reported.

X post Primrose

I could weep for those women and children.
There was one brave man shown last night on TV, trying to set up community kitchens, dodging the bombs and bullets.

What is the world doing about it?

I can hardly be bothered but I'll give it a go.

I encountered Sadie in an " Asylum Hotel" some time ago. She immediately offered her skills to help out on a project and we became friends. She was from Sudan and had been a civil engineer and ran huge humanitarian projects. As her life was at risk , she had no choice but to get out.
The courage and tenacity and backbone was utterly outstanding.
Despite being treated like absolute by SERCO and later housing officers, she persisted and persisited.

She is a person as I am a person. A person with talent, ambition and more courage and integrity in her little finger than many.

I'm off , I'm leaving this site. I can't take the toxic racism any more.

glasshalffullagain

I'm off , I'm leaving this site. I can't take the toxic racism any more.

I’ve read you saying this same thing before yet……

In any case there’s no racism, toxic or otherwise.

It’s a mess in Sudan between the warring factions of the Army.

If a family decides to send a son or nephew away it can be for 2 reasons as well as the "worst interpretation" of coward:

Because that son or nephew is forced or about to be captured, forced into joining a faction and forced to kill/pillage by that faction. If he refuses then would be shot and of no use to the family and the women in it.

Because of the hope that the most able in terms of making a long journey can in the end rescue other family members.

So 'Sadie' is a woman from Sudan?
I hope she settles here and fulfils her potential.

Sorry, Wyllow3 - where would we be without brave men who fought in the last war? If they had all refused to go?
The French Resistance (yes, I know, women too).

What is the world doing to help these poor people fight the oppression? Why is it women and girls who are left to suffer? Why not get the women and children out to safety?

Oreo

glasshalffullagain

I'm off , I'm leaving this site. I can't take the toxic racism any more.

I’ve read you saying this same thing before yet……

In any case there’s no racism, toxic or otherwise.

No, there is none at all.

Just a need to find out why the young men flee leaving the women and children to suffer.
And why the word stands by and allows this to happen

If someone can explain that satisfactorily, but no-one seems to have the answers.

Perhaps they base their choice on what they know. Is it more likely that in their society a young man would have a better chance of making a living than a young girl. Therefore the man is sent in the hope that he will do well and then be able to send for family.I only know from what I have seen that the situation is more than desperate.Perhaps some posters need to open their eyes more and imagine being in the shoes of the family watching children fade away through hunger.

My eyes are wide open.
Fading from hunger is just one aspect of how little girls - even babies - are suffering.

Thank you Wyllow.

You make the point more far objectively than I did.

I was trying to put myself in the shoes of others who are facing unimaginable torment.

I have an 18 year old grandson and, in the position of people living in Sudan, I would do everything in my power to enable him to escape. I would do the same for a granddaughter.

IMO to describe anyone as ‘cowardly’ for attempting to escape such horror is incomprehensible.

I assume then, those posters would not enable their child / grandchild to escape, preferring them to remain and be ‘brave’.

I would do the same for a granddaughter

In a nutshell!
So would I. Anyone would, surely. Save their children before themselves if at all possible. Children, not just sons.

But that is not what is happening according to the horrific news stories recently. I care about the women and children, not just young men.

It is men waging war there.

Thers are no political points to be scored here so why try?

Quite disgraceful.

Western countries are damned if they intervene in other countries internal conflicts and damned if they don’t.

I have no idea what the answer to a workable peace could be, cannot see it happening any time soon.

I think a problem for the world or just us thinking it through as far as I can read is that there doesn't seem to be a "good or bad" side to "stand up for".

Both sides have been judged to have committed and are committing war atrocities and have different "backers".

We should back off and let them get on with it. We didn't start this war and right now this country has plenty of things that need doing here. Millions pumped into these countries and never any improvement. I doubt those needing it see any of it, if at all.

Millions pumped into these countries and never any improvement. I doubt those needing it see any of it, if at all.

No, it doesn't. Somehow it gets into the hands of militants.