Why the £2000 allegation won't go away

The Tories are desperate so they lie, as they have done in he past. They, or the right wing press play dirty. I don't think the LP does.

The Tories are still blaming Gordon Brown for the financial problems back in 2008 and repeating the mantra that there was no money left when they took over, as did Mark Harper last night on QT.

It is generally recognized that Brown and Alastair Darling were instrumental in halting the damage done during that crisis. Darling went to the US to persuade the G7 to re-capitalise the banks and Brown did pretty much same thing at a summit of the leaders of the eurozone in Paris.

One of the reasons Starmer is regarded as Mr Cautious in debates is because he will be held accountable for what he says:

Sunak can more or less say what he likes. But missing out the sum totalled over 4 years is really, really dishonest.

Wyllow3

One of the reasons Starmer is regarded as Mr Cautious in debates is because he will be held accountable for what he says:

Sunak can more or less say what he likes. But missing out the sum totalled over 4 years is really, really dishonest.

This particular cabinet across the 14 years appear to have been nothing other than incompetent or lars un most areas bar Covid vaccinations and money during Covid. Even there masses of fraud took place in both HMRC and DWP due to “trust and protect”

Dinahmo

The Tories are desperate so they lie, as they have done in he past. They, or the right wing press play dirty. I don't think the LP does.

The Tories are still blaming Gordon Brown for the financial problems back in 2008 and repeating the mantra that there was no money left when they took over, as did Mark Harper last night on QT.

It is generally recognized that Brown and Alastair Darling were instrumental in halting the damage done during that crisis. Darling went to the US to persuade the G7 to re-capitalise the banks and Brown did pretty much same thing at a summit of the leaders of the eurozone in Paris.

Perhaps Starmer should have corrected him at the time then.
What a PM he'll make if he couldn't even challenge this. What else is he going to ignore because he doesn't or can't really know the facts. Own goal for Starmer.

That was 16 years ago - I don't think he's been asked the question? If he's been asked and dodged it, I'd like to hear.

An oven-ready lie. Compounded by brazenly defending it and skipping out of the D-Day commemoration to do so. Disgraceful attitude to those who sacrificed their lives.

Grantanow

An oven-ready lie. Compounded by brazenly defending it and skipping out of the D-Day commemoration to do so. Disgraceful attitude to those who sacrificed their lives.

Totally agree. Contemptible behaviour.

Freya5

Dinahmo

The Tories are desperate so they lie, as they have done in he past. They, or the right wing press play dirty. I don't think the LP does.

The Tories are still blaming Gordon Brown for the financial problems back in 2008 and repeating the mantra that there was no money left when they took over, as did Mark Harper last night on QT.

It is generally recognized that Brown and Alastair Darling were instrumental in halting the damage done during that crisis. Darling went to the US to persuade the G7 to re-capitalise the banks and Brown did pretty much same thing at a summit of the leaders of the eurozone in Paris.

Perhaps Starmer should have corrected him at the time then.
What a PM he'll make if he couldn't even challenge this. What else is he going to ignore because he doesn't or can't really know the facts. Own goal for Starmer.

It was the opposite - if Starmer had have challenged him, that night, it would have got lost in the shouting and analysis of the debate.

Once it was released, the following day, the media could concentrate more fully on the lie.

Sensible move by Starmer, to let Sunak hang himself. 👍

DiamondLily

Freya5

Dinahmo

The Tories are desperate so they lie, as they have done in he past. They, or the right wing press play dirty. I don't think the LP does.

The Tories are still blaming Gordon Brown for the financial problems back in 2008 and repeating the mantra that there was no money left when they took over, as did Mark Harper last night on QT.

It is generally recognized that Brown and Alastair Darling were instrumental in halting the damage done during that crisis. Darling went to the US to persuade the G7 to re-capitalise the banks and Brown did pretty much same thing at a summit of the leaders of the eurozone in Paris.

Perhaps Starmer should have corrected him at the time then.
What a PM he'll make if he couldn't even challenge this. What else is he going to ignore because he doesn't or can't really know the facts. Own goal for Starmer.

It was the opposite - if Starmer had have challenged him, that night, it would have got lost in the shouting and analysis of the debate.

Once it was released, the following day, the media could concentrate more fully on the lie.

Sensible move by Starmer, to let Sunak hang himself. 👍

So coward to boot, let the biased MSM handle it for him.

Starmer didn’t make a sensible move at all, he was totally lost - and remember he knows what his manifesto is going to cost.

£2000 per household over 4 years is £500 per year, most households have at least 2 earners, so £250 per year each, so a bit under £5 per week which doesn’t sound like that much and worth it if we see an improvement in our public services.

Germanshepherdsmum

Starmer didn’t make a sensible move at all, he was totally lost - and remember he knows what his manifesto is going to cost.

As an experienced lawyer he was party to the damning evidence beforehand,but chose not to comment, allowing Sunak to hang himself. A shrewd move.

I'm not a huge fan of Starmer but I thing people under-estimate his intelligence and experience. Due to this and his measured response to Sunak's disgusting behaviour yesterday, he is beginning to grow on me.

keepingquiet

Germanshepherdsmum

Starmer didn’t make a sensible move at all, he was totally lost - and remember he knows what his manifesto is going to cost.

As an experienced lawyer he was party to the damning evidence beforehand,but chose not to comment, allowing Sunak to hang himself. A shrewd move.

I'm not a huge fan of Starmer but I thing people under-estimate his intelligence and experience. Due to this and his measured response to Sunak's disgusting behaviour yesterday, he is beginning to grow on me.

Whether Starmer knew or not, pre-planned it or not, doesn’t matter now because Sunak has been proven to have lied, and the media aren’t letting it go, so Starmer has won in the eyes of the electorate.
I’m beginning to seriously wonder if Sunak is deliberately tanking the Tories - for what I’m not sure though.

Surely its common-sense for a leader to avoid getting caught up in a slanging match on one point, in order to do what the debate was intended, the audience was looking for, cover a range of topics.

As for letting the MSM do the job for him being cowardly that's ludicrous politically.
Sunak chose to introduce it - be it on his head. He thought it was an over ready winner at the time.

Actions have consequences.

Germanshepherdsmum

Starmer didn’t make a sensible move at all, he was totally lost - and remember he knows what his manifesto is going to cost.

As a Labour voter am getting a bit worried by Starmer and what I see as his weakness as a leader.The reason? I think he’ll give in to pressure from different quarters , he has already muddied things by not coming out and saying that a woman is a born female and now he’s given in to the Muslim vote who wanted him to say that there should be a Palestinian State before the peace process or as part of it, rewarding hamas!
There should be talks about that well after the peace and not a moment sooner.
I do admire Starmer for other reasons but have to wonder how strong he’ll really be when the topic demands it.☹️

It's called "give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves".

Starmer isn't a fool, or a coward.

Another nail in thr tory coffin, hammered home by Sunak.

He is weak imho Oreo. Today he’s having to stand up to the unions about the content of the manifesto. I wonder how that will go - we’ll see when the manifesto is published next week. I see him as someone who will be shouted down (as we saw) and walked over. He is indecisive and won’t last long as leader, then the lefties will be running the show.

To clarify on Palestinian state and Starmer:

Starmer is following our own government policy announced as part of an International Statement.

Following that,

Asked toclarify Labour’s position, following a report in the Guardian which suggested Starmer was ready to make significantconcessions to pro-Palestine voices on the left, Starmer said :”It’s very importantthat I set out what our policy is full is, which is to recognise Palestine as part of the process for a two state solution. But part of a process

www.jewishnews.co.uk/starmer-there-has-to-be-a-safe-and-secure-israel-for-labour-to-recognise-palestine-2/#:~:text=Asked%20to%20clarify%20Labour's%20position,the%20process%20for%20a%20two

Mmm. One person's shouting down (Sunak) is suddenly declared as being powerful and effective. The dignity of not getting involved in a scrap over £2000 falls to Starmer.

He didn’t have an answer - he knows what his manifesto is going to cost.

He’s not weak then. What is weak about holding his cards close to his chest and letting Sunak hang himself while he sits tight and says very little? It’s the tactic he has used from the beginning, immensely frustrating for his opposition, but it’s working.

If he was weak, he wouldn't have been such an effective lawyer.

Well, according to various calculations, Tory promises will cost each household £3000 per annum. More than his estimates of Labour promises. Perhaps denial will be the next lie from “oh so honest” Sunak.🙄

www.spectator.co.uk/article/on-sunaks-maths-tories-will-lift-taxes-by-3000-per-household/

Being an effective lawyer is very different MissA. It was very clear to me that he was ill prepared and didn’t know what to say - and the last thing he would say is what his plan would cost. We shall see when the manifestos are published and costed.