Brexit for independence from unelected Politicians? Really?

So there we have it: the Conservative Government won't protect British agricultural & food standards because they want to undermine them in trade deals.

They will chuck British farmers under a bus in order to get a deal with Trump.

@LibDems
will fight to protect British farming

I could cry. Why is he still there? What hold does he have over BJ?

we said that from the start,farming and fishing would be used either as bargaining tools or discarded to give way to inferior produce .The USA has been inflicting tariffs of 25% on Scotch whisky and not a word from WM or any offer of stepping in to save the industry.There will be more huge tariffs on the way Ihope all the Brexiteers are pleased with the devastation heading their way ...and ours .On a brighter note polls show 60% of Scots will support Independence when given the votefor it WE have a way out of this mess and we'll take it

biba70 where can I read this information please?

Sign the food standards petition now!

www.campaigns.nfuonline.com/page/56262/petition/1?locale=en-GB

It is all over the Press GG13- here is just one article, there are so many

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-08/u-k-won-t-ban-import-of-food-produced-to-lower-farm-standards?sref=yMmXm5Iy

That means, in reality GG13, that not only will we have no choice as to what we eat, unless rich- and British Agriculture is finished.

Minette Batters, president of the NFU, has described a no-deal brexit as "Armageddon"

I haven’t seen it all over the press biba70 I have read the Bloomberg article you linked to.

Still think there will be a deal. Not all American meat is inferior. I am sure that the thousands of visitors to the USA including many from UK do not become vegetarian on landing in the Country?

IT IS INFERIOR - in 100s of ways- and there is no way British Agriculture can compete- even if it drops its standards drastically, on feeds, antibiotics, husbandry, and so much more.

biba70 not all American meat/products are inferior.

Not all EU meat/products are superior.

British agriculture cannot compete with US welfare or environmental standards, there will be a deal, probably for a limited quantity of a number of commodities.
That will be the thin end of the wedge and creep up over the years, most likely GM crops will be allowed in too and none will be allowed to be labeled with origin.

The Times are reporting this AM that Dominic Cummings is instructing the Government to destroy British Farming. They also concede this stance risks a backbench rebellion and that two dozen Conservative MPs are prepared to defy the whip and vote for the Lords amendments next week.
We have to convince enough Conservative MPs rebel or abstain which is why it’s crucial farmers join us in their tractors tomorrow in Swindon and/or on Monday in London. (Links to Eventbrite on our website savebritishfarming.org
“In a letter to MPs, seen by The Times, Victoria Prentis, the environment minister, stated that the government would reject both amendments because they risked “adverse effects” on trade.
“The amendment requiring imports of food and agricultural goods to meet domestic standards would be much wider ranging than those we have in place today,” she wrote.
“Such conditions would make it very difficult to secure any new trade deals.”
The Times asks, “So why is Downing Street so intent on rejecting moves that would restrict imports of produce that do not meet existing UK standards in new trade deals?
The answer is partly principled and partly political.
The principled part is that senior figures, including the prime minister, believe that for too long some of the EU’s standards have been little more than protectionism.
They have long been critical of the precautionary approach to regulation. Besides, free trade Tories would argue, why should we stand in the way of cheaper food if it is safe?
The political element is down to the acknowledgment that often the hardest negotiation in a free trade deal is between the countries and their public.
What the two amendments would do is give further power to the farming and environment lobbies to reject undesirable bits of trade deals. That would make it harder to strike the deals.
Mr Johnson knows Brexit will be judged by the new trade deals and the last thing he wants to do is make that process harder.
Leading supermarkets and prominent chefs were already launching unhelpful interventions before the ink had dried on a single post-Brexit deal. Government is loath to endure such campaigns once each deal is finalised.
It may be brave to have the battle now — but more sensible than pushing it into the future.”
Save British Farming – Farm. Food. Life.

The accusation of protectionism is rubbish, our existing welfare and environmental standards are higher than the EU, in addition the proposed future regulations are even higher than that.

There are several EU regulations applicable, GM foods and farm chemical restrictions, neonicotinoids etc. Tariffs on Beef and Sheep are straightforward protectionism

Davidhs

The accusation of protectionism is rubbish, our existing welfare and environmental standards are higher than the EU, in addition the proposed future regulations are even higher than that.

There are several EU regulations applicable, GM foods and farm chemical restrictions, neonicotinoids etc. Tariffs on Beef and Sheep are straightforward protectionism

What are the proposed future regulations David?

As far as I understand it, the UK wants to lower standards in order to bring in cheap food from, for example, 'developing countries. Though I'm puzzled by this as imported foodstuffs from developing countries are tariff free in the EU because of EBA and must already conform to EU standards. The only way I can read this is that the UK will be prepared to buy the EU's rejects...

The way I read this too- can't see how anyone can 'read' it otherwise.

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1314148342348345345?s=20

I'm not sure that will go down well with the NFU

Nannytopsy

I could cry. Why is he still there? What hold does he have over BJ?

It's really simple. Boris can't do the job. He is DCs puppet.

Do you remember what the Tories said before the Referendum

youtu.be/zzykce4oxII

Switzerland btw has very recently voted massively to continue with Free Movement of People- as they understand that it is part and parcel of the Treaty they have with the EU and is not negotiable. They are also part of Schengen.

Signed and shared the petition varian, thanks

Proposed regulations for the future farm payments system, negotiations are on going.
It looks like payments are going to be halved, but may be much worse, together with the prospect of cheap imports the outlook is particularly bleak for food production.

There will no doubt be some new food deals with “developing” countries like Brazil, have no doubt the majority will come from the US because they are the Global lowest cost producer,
US imports, much of it food aid, has put many farmers out of business in developing countries.

Today sees the Second Reading of the Internal Market Bill in the House of Lords, a bill that marks a new low in the national tragedy that is Brexit.As self-defeating legislation goes, this bill is a corker. By forcing it through Parliament, Boris Johnson and his advisers will:Signal to the world that they are content to break international law, undermining our country’s reputation for honesty and fair play precisely when we need new trade partners to trust usRide roughshod over the interests of the devolved administrations, fuelling the arguments of those who seek to break up the United Kingdom

varian

Today sees the Second Reading of the Internal Market Bill in the House of Lords, a bill that marks a new low in the national tragedy that is Brexit.As self-defeating legislation goes, this bill is a corker. By forcing it through Parliament, Boris Johnson and his advisers will:Signal to the world that they are content to break international law, undermining our country’s reputation for honesty and fair play precisely when we need new trade partners to trust usRide roughshod over the interests of the devolved administrations, fuelling the arguments of those who seek to break up the United Kingdom

In future I will vote for anyone who is prepared to ensure that our environmental, food and work standards are returned to the sort of standards we enjoy now.

In fact I would hope they could be improved on.

We should take pride in our welfare standards. Goodness knows there are many out there who will be willing to exploit animals for profit and see their lives made utterly wretched.