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JuliaSeizer44 Thu 08-Jun-17 01:28:37

Some time ago I posted about DS and DIL who were very abusive to me about working abroad, about moving away on retirement to our dream home in the sun,(still in the same country as them) and "owing them babysitting". I lent them a lot of money to save their home from being sold from under them, and repeatedly paid power and food bills and so on so that my 5 (!) grandchildren would not go cold and hungry. The DIL swore and screamed at me at several family events (both of them were/are heavy drinkers). I have NEVER done anything negative to them, and have always been kind, supportive and generous. My exH has been very helpful to them also, and they treat him like shit. Now DIL has had a fling with the neighbour, assaulted my DS and had him thrown out of the house, maintaining that he headbutted her, (a witness saw HER headbutt HIM), and coaching the children to say that their father smashed their mother's head onto the marble kitchen bench. DS now sees the children for 2 hours a week in a supervised situation though DIL is consistently late, allowing him sometimes only an hour. He is distraught and was originally suicidal - she now mocks him for being "mental", as he is taking ADs. She blames me for everything that is wrong with my son and her life. He has come to his senses about the way he treated his parents under his wife's influence, and is very remorseful. We were always very close, as he was terribly ill for years as a child and spent a lot of time in hospital. He was always kind and loving, worked with the elderly and totally devoted to his kids. Now his daughter (aged 8), has tearfully admitted that her mother made her tell the police that her father had hit her mother. She also is upset that her uncle (DIL's brother),is on home detention, following a prison term for serious domestic assault (!),in the same home as the DIL and kids. She told her daddy that Uncle J had grabbed her arm and "called her the C word", then told her to stop "being a little bitch". The marks on her arm remained for some time. So DIL has a convicted criminal living in the same home, having thrown out her husband, who had never, and would never, hit or abuse his children. DS has contacted his lawyer about this, but he seems to think that kids' evidence is unreliable -though it was the 8-year old's word that had DS thrown out. OK, DS is weak and too much under his wife's thumb. After being on his own now for many months, he is much more optimistic about the future, but is desperate to claim joint custody, at the very least. DIL is living in the huge house, the cost of which is what has put them under enormous financial strain, and he is paying almost all of his wages on maintenance and house outgoings. I really need to get my money out of the house because I had to remortgage my own home to help them out. I'm paying out of my pension for her to live in the big house with her jailbird brother. The brother is drinking heavily, though it is a condition of his home detention that he not touch alcohol, and so is she - which is really bad for her mood and temper. I don't really know what I'm asking you to advise me on, dear GNers, but I have a heart condition, very high cholesterol and have just developed rheumatoid arthritis. Stress is not what I need right now. Thanks for listening.xx

Grandma2213 Thu 08-Jun-17 02:23:22

JuliaSeizer44 I empathise though cannot offer real advice. I have posted on here before about DIL's (ex partners) who are controlling and liars. I still don't understand how they are allowed to get away with it especially seeing how the children are affected. Our situation is somewhat calmer now but mostly due to me being two faced and making sure I never upset her. It does not take much to upset things though eg DGS crying on the phone this week 'cos Mummy was in a mood and did not want him to go to football with Daddy! In our situation also alcohol is a catalyst.

It is not easy but you must take care of yourself. I try to take time for myself where I do not think about what is going on. In my case it is physical exercise but for you it could be any other activity which engages you. ! wish you all the best.

JuliaSeizer44 Thu 08-Jun-17 07:41:19

Grandma, thank you so much for your kind response. I do hope that things work out for you too. Yes, I spend a lot of time gardening and doing renovations to our little house to keep me from worrying. I am so concerned about what my little grandchildren are going through.How can women use their babies in such a way.

Anya Thu 08-Jun-17 07:49:53

Julie I'm so sorry to read of this. What a terrible situation. All I can say is change your lawyers, you don't need one who has the approach that nothing can be done.

Also I'm sure there will be SWs on here who will advise you on the steps your son should take to recover his children.

M0nica Thu 08-Jun-17 08:02:59

Julia I am not clear in what country you live, but if you live in the UK and if the uncle is violent and drinking, he should not be bailed to be resident in a house with young children and you should speak either to the probation service or social services as it is clear that the children are at risk. If a child has been assaulted as you describe, then your DS should report it to the police immediately.

Again if you are in the UK, there is no obvious and automatic reason why the evidence of an 8 year old would not be taken seriously. Does the lawyer your son is dealing with have specialist knowledge of child protection issues? If he doesn't then then your son should instruct a different lawyer who is a specialist in this field.

A word of warning. When you put money into your son's house did you have a proper legal document drawn up making it clear that the money was a loan that needs to be repaid when the house is sold, if not, it may be difficult to get the money repaid.

As I said, I get the feeling that you do not live in the UK, in which case the law and attitudes may be different in the jurisdiction you live in. But where the physical safety of children is involved most jurisdictions have clear rules and I do thinkyour son should contact the department of your jurisdiction that deals with the punishment of offenders about the breach of probation orders and the dangers facing your grandchildren.

Elegran Thu 08-Jun-17 08:25:28

julia Your username is very like Julius Caesar (that shows a sense of humour, in spite of the horrendous picture you paint) so I would say you should live up to your name and get the appropriate authorities on to the case.

JuliaSeizer44 Thu 08-Jun-17 08:43:16

Thanks again, everyone. Monica, you are quite correct in your surmise that i'm not from the UK. You have helped me to get my ducks in a row, for which I am very grateful. I'm going to contact the police tomorrow and talk it over with them.

Luckygirl Thu 08-Jun-17 08:47:35

Wherever you are there will be a social services equivalent - contact them about the welfare of the children.

Bibbity Thu 08-Jun-17 10:50:28

I'm so sorry that you're son has gone through this.
He is a victim of domestic abuse and as such there should be charities that can Help him. Including legal aid.

Get him to go to call Legal aid and explain the physical and emotional abuse and ask them what proof they need from the GP to get him legal aid.
He needs to go and see the Gp and explain he is a victim of DV and that due to this his depression has been triggered because of her.

He can call SS and also her school to raise her concerns.
However there is the risk that this could be put down as a malicious call which would go against him and he couldn't lose time.

Shared residency is very unlikely. That's not what I think should happen. That's just how the UK.
A usual agreement would be every other weekend. With a mid week visit.

As harsh as it sounds he needs to stop paying everything. She will get assitence.
He needs to live and he needs to be able to show he can provide a stable environment for them.
Tell him to go on the CMA calculator input his earnings and give her that. No more. No less.

Bibbity Thu 08-Jun-17 10:51:37

I just saw your update when I posted. Are you you in the US?

JuliaSeizer44 Fri 09-Jun-17 08:23:38

Hi Bibbity - thanks for your response, No, not the US.

hulahoop Fri 09-Jun-17 10:37:43

What a horrible situation she shouldn't have abusive man living with children . Some good advice on hope you have legal papers regarding money you lent them he needs to prove he can provide say environment for his children . Hope everything works out ok .