Tip Toe.

I just finished watching this. Although I had an idea what was coming I was still shocked and upset.
It seems to me that straight men feel threatened by gay men but I don’t think women have a problem with gay men or women.
Are things going backwards.? I’m not sure.
I do agree with the comment in the program about being’so gay’. The gay people I’ve met are just getting on with their lives like everyone else.

I loved the Eeyoreish character Melba played by Paul Rhys.

monami

if they would just act normal things would be fine, but its the constant need to point out they are gay, so in your face... heterosexuals dont have flags and parades and wristbands etc and constantly mention it all the time,

Some heterosexuals DO push their sexuality in your face all the time; as seen on many a celebrity "reality show"

Of course you are right about that freedom being fought for and ultimately written into law, but I think Tip Toe suffers from acting as if those wins weren’t as seismic as they actually were.
The character Melba is supposed to somehow represent a failure instead of the success of the gay rights movement. And that doesn’t feel accurate to the life a lot of gay people (in the west) are living.

Sago

monami

if they would just act normal things would be fine, but its the constant need to point out they are gay, so in your face... heterosexuals dont have flags and parades and wristbands etc and constantly mention it all the time,

I have some lovely gay friends when I asked one if he was going to our local Pride event he looked horrified!

He said I’m gay, I am accepted, I don’t need to fly flags and dance around the City.

Your friend is accepted because of those who did stand up publicly over many decades so that all gay men, including your friend, are free to live their lives openly and legally.
Yes gay pride should be celebrated, every single day.

monami what IS normal?
Surely it’s people being themselves.I have gay friend who are flamboyant and a bit camp and one in particular who is the exact opposite…in fact when my OH met him 50 years ago he was worried he had a thing for me!
The whole point of gay pride is,in my honest opinion,that people like you don’t think they are entitled to BE themselves
One of our older gay friends got married and had kids….and gay relationships away from home …his wife knew and stuck with him but it would have been a better life for him if he hasn,t needed to live a lie.
Sadly as one of the characters on Tiptoe said things are going backward and we,re heading back to the dark ages.Not just for gay men/lesbians but for women’s rights as laid down by men in suits.Think Trumps America where the Handmaids tale is on the horizon

Most of my gay friends feel like this too! And there is a very strong feeling they would like to disassociate from everything after the B in LGBTQIA+

SPOILERS!
I was totally engaged in this drama, thanks to the brilliant script writing of Russell T Davies. Alan Cumming and David Morrisey were given two quite extreme characters who were not stereotyped at all. I felt for all of the characters, trapped in their societally-driven roles. The script and editing allowed the audience to understand where each was coming from.

The other characters were all superb too. The younger son who couldn't be honest about his sexuality and who was forced to defend himself against the bully in the football hooligan tribe who had guessed that he was gay by humiliating him; Leo's good friend, Stephanie who wasn't afraid to challenge him, and near the end, expressed the opinion of another poster here - why have you got to act SO gay? You could feel Leo's hurt that even she didn't get him.

Then there was the role of the internet: the older son to make money through what I would see as pornography (especially when he involved another person who looked drunk or drugged); Leo to find partners, suitable or not and how vulnerable that made him; the younger son to explore his sexuality and being 'outed' unintentionally; the Mum and Dad to fill gaps in their relationship with each other; the bunkum conspiracy theories that David Morrisey's character had read online about the 'non-existence' of HIV, Covid etc.

The football 'gang' scenes towards the end were very powerful in showing the escalating craziness that sometimes takes over a group of men (I think it is men usually), and the responses of the individuals in the group. We were shown that some of them were appalled by the lynching, but were powerless to stop it and were therefore part of it. I thought then of not just homophobic crime, but the racial atrocities of the KKK amongst others and what terrible things people are capable of in a group.

I can't say I 'enjoyed' this drama but I had to watch all of it, uncomfortable though it was, and it certainly made me think. I agree it should receive some kind of award.

It was excellent viewing.

I thought it was a fantastic drama, with a fantastic cast. Not easy to watch though - insightful, infuriating at times and very sad at others - and finally truly shocking. I think Alan Cumming should get an award for this - and Russell T Davies is just brilliant.

I thought that maybe Clive was secretly in love with Leo, especially when they played the Buzzcocks, "Ever fallen in love with someone you shouldn't have fallen in love with?"

Clive's miserable because he's a deeply repressed homosexual deep in denial.

"Football night at home" is the nearest he can get to steamy physical proximity with a crowd of much younger men disinhibited by the booze he provided. Its the only time we see Clive smile.

I couldn't sleep for hours after the last episode. How vile a group of men can be. I didn't think he would want to socialise with them or they would want to with him and at his house. Such a miserable man.

Sago

No spoilers please!

Don’t come on this thread then until you’ve finished watching it

Sago

No spoilers please!

But all episodes have been aired now. 🤷‍♀️

Surely that’s when we can come on the thread and comment on it?

Otherwise not much point, when can we discuss it?

Really enjoyed it. Great acting to match the script and very thought provoking. I thought things had become more tolerant.

No spoilers please!

Omg what an ending I wasn't expecting that , very thought provoking how things can turn violently out of control so easily. Fantastic acting , up there with Riot Women and Adolescence. One that people are going to be talking about for a while. Fantastic writing by Russell T Davies and Acting by David Morrissey & Alan Cummings.

One episode was more than enough. Sad, because I do like the actors.

I watched the final episode yesterday. The ending is harrowing not an easy watch. Well acted and a powerful message. I felt something similar to the ending could happen considering how divided the country is becoming.

On to episode 3 but am struggling to follow it.

Not for me, even tho the actors are good ones.

A hard watch but brilliant acting. Stick with it! I nearly didn’t but glad I persevered. How sad if this is what it’s like . I thought we’d moved on! Alan Cumming was so good. They both were .

monami

if they would just act normal things would be fine, but its the constant need to point out they are gay, so in your face... heterosexuals dont have flags and parades and wristbands etc and constantly mention it all the time,

I have some lovely gay friends when I asked one if he was going to our local Pride event he looked horrified!

He said I’m gay, I am accepted, I don’t need to fly flags and dance around the City.

Brilliant script and fast pace. Love it.