Miriam Margoyles

Secondwind

I never held her in particularly high regard because of her foul language.
My mind was changed when I watched the TV programme about her Dickens-themed Christmas celebration and really enjoyed it.

Just going to mention this. I watched it. I think she managed the meal without any vulgarity 😂

LucyAnna5

Someone being groped doesn’t have much choice…….

I’m certainly not defending her with this, no one should be groped or touched without permission, whoever you are and whoever is doing it, it’s wrong on all levels.

I never held her in particularly high regard because of her foul language.
My mind was changed when I watched the TV programme about her Dickens-themed Christmas celebration and really enjoyed it.

Someone being groped doesn’t have much choice…….

Dreadwitch

I love her, she's definitely my level of crude and vulgar... I know I'd have a brilliant time with her at a party.

I like her, people know what they are getting with Mirium, you choose to watch or you switch off.
People are different what offends some does offend others. We have a choice.

Cossy

Rosie Being well educated doesn’t excuse any bad behaviour, I think we have to put the sexual squeezing episode into context, no it’s not right, should never have happened, but I’m guessing it was done in the same awful spirit as the many many men who “gropped” women in those days. I not excusing this behaviour.

I think anyone who manages to make it into Oxbridge and then actually graduate is worth “bigging up”, it doesn’t make those of us who didn’t any “less”, but it’s certainly a great achievement.

Historic cases of sexual abuse at the BBC are being investigated now and not swept under the carpet as they were.
Why should a woman be treated differently from a man? 🤔

Who cares what level of education someone has had, or where they gor it. It is no excuse for rude, vulgar and course language and behaviour.

Standards of acceptable behaviour are a society norm not an educational norm.

Rosie I don’t know tbh, very very few men who “gropped” women are being brought to justice!

Do I think what she did was ok? Definitely not, do I think she should be “brought to justice”? Frankly I don’t know! Has the man is question been to the police? If yes, then she should be interviewed, if no…….. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Cossy

Rosie Being well educated doesn’t excuse any bad behaviour, I think we have to put the sexual squeezing episode into context, no it’s not right, should never have happened, but I’m guessing it was done in the same awful spirit as the many many men who “gropped” women in those days. I not excusing this behaviour.

I think anyone who manages to make it into Oxbridge and then actually graduate is worth “bigging up”, it doesn’t make those of us who didn’t any “less”, but it’s certainly a great achievement.

but I’m guessing it was done in the same awful spirit as the many many men who “gropped” women in those days.

And many of those men are now being punished for that historical abuse, even though it 'was of that time'. Do you think she should suffer the same as those men? If not, why not?

* her not you!

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Luckygirl3

Her views on Jewish aggression are interesting and I think she is brave to speak out. She is a public figure and could be under threat by doing so, but her principles tell her that humanity trumps all and she is brave enough to say so. She absolutely condemns Hamas for their actions, but she is allowed to say when she feels that Israel is out of order - just because they have suffered terribly does not mean that they cannot be open to criticism when their own actions fall short in her eyes and those of others.

I admire her courage and her principles.

On the subject of her outrageous remarks and language, in general the response seems to be laughter - I'm all for a bit of that!

Well said, though I fear we’re in a minority, which for me is absolutely fine, as I guess neither she nor I care what others think in this particular thread.

It’s perfectly ok for others to despise, loathe, dislike her, I happen to enjoy her acting and books and watching and listening to you, each to their own.

Rosie Being well educated doesn’t excuse any bad behaviour, I think we have to put the sexual squeezing episode into context, no it’s not right, should never have happened, but I’m guessing it was done in the same awful spirit as the many many men who “gropped” women in those days. I not excusing this behaviour.

I think anyone who manages to make it into Oxbridge and then actually graduate is worth “bigging up”, it doesn’t make those of us who didn’t any “less”, but it’s certainly a great achievement.

Her views on Jewish aggression are interesting and I think she is brave to speak out. She is a public figure and could be under threat by doing so, but her principles tell her that humanity trumps all and she is brave enough to say so. She absolutely condemns Hamas for their actions, but she is allowed to say when she feels that Israel is out of order - just because they have suffered terribly does not mean that they cannot be open to criticism when their own actions fall short in her eyes and those of others.

I admire her courage and her principles.

On the subject of her outrageous remarks and language, in general the response seems to be laughter - I'm all for a bit of that!

Anniebach

Boris Johnson went to Oxford !

Yes he did? Sorry cannot see the point or context Annie, he was very privileged and extremely well educated from a young age, as were much of our government, especially those to the right.

Lots of rich privileged public schoolboys.

Cossy

Rosie51

Lots of posters are mentioning that she is extremely well educated. Can somebody please explain to me why that is an admirable attribute that 'excuses' her vulgarity and contempt for the sensibilities of others? I'd have thought being extremely well educated is a privilege denied to many equally able people as herself. Are the uneducated, for whatever reason, less than?

Don’t think we’re excusing it, the “bad@ language, just pointing out her attributes and for me, these outweigh her mad/bad behaviour.

Swearing just doesn’t bother me that much so kings as it’s kept away from little ones and not shouted out in the street.

But why is being extremely well educated such an attribute, and does that make less well educated people less than her?

It's not just her swearing but her crudeness and exhibitionism. What do you think about her sexually abusing a young, less powerful, man? Is that also OK because she's well educated or is it OK because of some other attribute?

Boris Johnson went to Oxford !

Also, not everyone is bright enough to go to Cambridge, it’s both a privilege and an earned experience.

Rosie51

Lots of posters are mentioning that she is extremely well educated. Can somebody please explain to me why that is an admirable attribute that 'excuses' her vulgarity and contempt for the sensibilities of others? I'd have thought being extremely well educated is a privilege denied to many equally able people as herself. Are the uneducated, for whatever reason, less than?

Don’t think we’re excusing it, the “bad@ language, just pointing out her attributes and for me, these outweigh her mad/bad behaviour.

Swearing just doesn’t bother me that much so kings as it’s kept away from little ones and not shouted out in the street.

Lots of posters are mentioning that she is extremely well educated. Can somebody please explain to me why that is an admirable attribute that 'excuses' her vulgarity and contempt for the sensibilities of others? I'd have thought being extremely well educated is a privilege denied to many equally able people as herself. Are the uneducated, for whatever reason, less than?

Anniebach

As usual, blame Jews

Not at all Annie, you must know by now that from my perspective I blame ONLY Hamas for the awful kidnapping murders and ONLY Netanyahu for the ongoing Gaza situation, which Trump’s interference has only made longer.

My heart goes out to all the innocents on both sides, and I know you don’t like us saying this, but there are innocent people, even if only children, living in Gaza.

I don’t support Wars or terrorism of any sort and every day pray it ends across the world.

I will state again, I do NOT blame Jews for anything and I DO recognise they’ve been terrorised and abused and discriminated against for centuries and this is very wrong.

We have a community of Orthodox Jews living in our community, they keep themselves to themselves, cause no one any issues and I would support them and speak out if I found out they were being abused in any way, as I would for any minority group.

This is another reason I fear the rise of the far right.

Luckygirl3

Her Dickens readings are wonderful. It would be good if she would concentrate on her very real talents.

Agreed.
I’ve admired her in several roles.
Playing a part and using words set up by somebody else gives a good impression.

Left to herself, sometimes she is definitely vulgar and crude.

As usual, blame Jews

This quote is just one of the reasons I like Miriam

I have never been so ashamed of Israel as I am at this moment. To me, it seems as if Hitler has won. He's changed us Jews from being compassionate and caring and do unto others as you would have them do unto you into this vicious genocidal nationalist nation, pursuing and killing women and children. Of course, I condemn the Hamas action, of course I do. But what we are doing, Jewish people over in Israel, is shocking, embarrassing and wicked and I cannot understand why all Jewish people, particularly members of synagogues, do not want immediately to stop what is going on. And in the name of humanity, I call upon all Jews to shout, beg, scream for a ceasefire.

She also supports many charities, is an extremely loyal partner/wife to someone since 1868, spent many years living in Australia, has an OBE for services to acting, and is extremely well educated.

I can see past and forgive her for her bluntness and swearing.

Of course, like everyone, she’s not everyone’s cuppa tea, but she is mine!

Usedtobeblonde

How sad I feel for someone, anyone, who feels the need to be coarse and objectionable to be noticed.
She shouldn’t be at all insecure but maybe she is.

I think she’s just being her! She’s made a good living out of her acting, TV shows and books, I don’t think she’s any more attention seeking than many “luvvies”

It’s part of the attraction of being an actor, the attention, especially in theatre work.

I attended a pre drama school course for two years, it was full of us attention seeking types, some of my contemporaries did go to RADA or Central colleges and went on to become professional actors.

How sad I feel for someone, anyone, who feels the need to be coarse and objectionable to be noticed.
She shouldn’t be at all insecure but maybe she is.