Masterchef - going, going, gone?

I don’t suppose Keith Floyd would even be broadcast now!

I can’t remember what my doll was called but I was the only one who had one too. My Nan used to knit it little dresses

Btw I’d never heard the N word until I was an adult. Even now it’s shocking

JaneJudge

Btw I’d never heard the N word until I was an adult. Even now it’s shocking

It was used to describe a lovely shade of rich, dark brown years ago. I remember seeing it on reels of cotton thread.

JaneJudge

I can’t remember what my doll was called but I was the only one who had one too. My Nan used to knit it little dresses

My Mum knitted them little outfits too.

I too had a black doll but there was never anything racist. She was called Bocco after a black princess of that name or similar. Anybody remember?

My black dolly, Mari, complete with curly hair and a lacy dress still sits on the bed in the spare bedroom.
My Grandmother knitted outfits for her and my other dolls.
My MIL asked if I minded her buying a black dolly for my daughter. I thought it a strange question. Amelia didn’t last as long as Mari and I have no idea where she went.

The last doll I was ever bought was an ethnic doll which was very unusual in the late 60's, early 70's. I really wanted her but my Mum said I was too old for it (I was 9 or 10) so my Nan bought me one for Christmas. I adored her for years, she was beautiful.

Blossoming

I don’t suppose Keith Floyd would even be broadcast now!

I don’t remember Keith Floyd ever being disrespectful towards women. He can’t have been easy to live with (five wives) and he was a legendary drinker but he was highly thought of and much missed.

I wonder how he would have reacted these days if told to rein in his bon viveur image! 😂 It’s what defined him as well as being a great cook.

Mollygo

My black dolly, Mari, complete with curly hair and a lacy dress still sits on the bed in the spare bedroom.
My Grandmother knitted outfits for her and my other dolls.
My MIL asked if I minded her buying a black dolly for my daughter. I thought it a strange question. Amelia didn’t last as long as Mari and I have no idea where she went.

My mother was a great declutterer ☹
Susie, Sara, Caroline, all went to new homes.

I had a beautiful black Pedigree doll, called Dinah. I loved her - she was probably my favourite. As for the 'Orient' it is a blanket term relating to the Eastern world, according to the dictionary. I'm wondering why this is offensive. Someone can tell me, hopefully.

LovesBach

I had a beautiful black Pedigree doll, called Dinah. I loved her - she was probably my favourite. As for the 'Orient' it is a blanket term relating to the Eastern world, according to the dictionary. I'm wondering why this is offensive. Someone can tell me, hopefully.

I'll try. I don't think the term 'Oriental' is offensive in itself, and is not necessarily racist when applied to a geographical area, but it can be when applied to a person.

It is imprecise, so not the same as 'French' or 'European', and it wasn't used to describe 'white' people from places such as China or Japan - it was always used as a way of describing someone by skin colour and appearance, regardless of where their nationality. Someone with, say, Korean heritage and British nationality is not 'an Oriental', but the term was routinely used in that way. It's a bit like calling everyone with brown skin a 'p*ki' when they are from somewhere other than Pakistan. There are also colonial undertones - collective nouns for huge groups or people are rarely neutral, but born of racial hierarchies from the past.

Someone may well be able to articulate it better than I have, but I think that is why the term is best avoided.

I had a beautiful little black doll whom I loved. Her arms fell off one day, so we took her to a dolls hospital in Torquay and she was perfectly repaired. I don't suppose any doll's hospitals still exist.
We have to be so careful what we say these days. I think it has gone a bit too far, maybe. Most of us have no intention of causing offence.

It now looks as though Masterchef 2025 will be shown . It was filmed at the end of last year before all the furore started.

One of the women contestants is protesting and says that showing the series trivialises what has come to light.

I have long thought that UK Masterchef has gone past it's best. Starting on Drama in the next couple of weeks is the Australian version, compulsive viewing, with supportive, knowledge and informative judges.

Difficult one for the BBC.
One reason for entering MasterChef is the chance to either further your career or maybe to effect a career change.
The contestant asking for the whole series to be dropped came from a family of cooks, so presumably she hoped to go further.
Sarah Shafi had initially rejected an offer by Banijay to edit her out of her episode, but evidently agreed when the show was going to be aired anyway.
For all those who made it further, to the final or even won, it’s an important opportunity and it seems unfair to deny them that because of GW’s behaviour.
Judicious editing could minimise GW’s role.

The whole darn show should be scrapped for good. Wallace and Torode have fatally tainted it. The BBC should cut it's losses and go for a damage limitation strategy.

I’m another who thinks the replacing ‘coloured person’ with ‘person of colour’ is ridiculous.

And
You Have the Nerve to Call Me Coloured!


When I was born, I was black,
When I grew up, I was black,
When I'm sick, I'm black,
When I go out in the sun, I'm black,
When I'm cold, I'm black,
When I die, I'll be black,

But you,

When you're born, you're pink,
When you grow up, you're white,
When you're sick, you're green,
When you go out in the sun, you go red,
When you're cold, you go blue,
When you die, you'll be purple,

And you have the nerve to call me coloured!

(author unknown)

And then there’s the F word, the C word, the N word, the P word, and let’s not forget LGBTQIAS+. Are we really so delicate that we risk an attack of the vapours if someone quotes an offensive word?

Torode didn't quote an offensive word. He called a member of staff the 'N word'. There is no excuse for that.

So… sadly this enormous boor fest will be shown. Roughly how many episodes does a normal series go on for…just so that I can avoid (can’t bear even a glance a their faces) worse even than the ‘stenders feem toon😒

Too long, I think is the answer! It’s a boring programme full of sanctimonious presenters who are unbearable to watch!
Get rid, please!

So, will anyone be watching tonight?
Apparently it’s been heavily edited so there’s less chat and fewer jokes. We must be thankful for small mercies but personally I’d rather see Greg Wallace wearing a gag and leg irons.

I think it's right it is shown for the contestants sake. They have put so much time and effort into the competition and deserve their 5 minutes of fame.

JaneJudge

Btw I’d never heard the N word until I was an adult. Even now it’s shocking

Very common when I was growing up in the eighties, as well as the c word for black people, and less offensive but unacceptable terms like something you dug the garden with. Not at all acceptable even in 1982.

With Emily Maitlis as a contestant?