Celebrity Big Brother

Devo, I do understand your concerns for IKEA shoppers but I just think Widdie like all of us is free to express her likes and dislikes . I am sure IKEA shoppers would consider Widdie staid and old fashion

I love Ikea and wasn't at all offended by AW's opinion!
I once bought a lovely jacket out of M&S, three quarter, silky black with embroidery and a funfur collar. A couple of weeks later Cilla Battersby on Corrie was wearing the exact same jacket! Now that did make me cross!! lols x

I find Ann very intresting, far more so than the housemate who sat and described how she shit on someone's sofa. Ann's face said it all. It summed up what I felt about it. I must say I am enjoying watching her.

I completely agree with malika who said India was playing the victim, some of the housemates could be quite interesting, if they could get a word in, I do hope this doesn't turn out to be the India flashing boobs show!

I can only afford Ikea stuff, and luckily enough Anne Widdecomes views don't figure largely in my choice of furnishings. Actually, I've only recently even been able to afford Ikea stuff!

Oh Devorgilla your sympathy for those who “can only afford IKEA “is touching - but misplaced!

I know many people on not inconsiderable incomes who swear by Billy bookcases and the like including other items with less pronounceable names and they are NOT the section of the population you need to feel sorry for!
Save your sympathy for those who cannot afford a home of their own let alone furniture

Anne Widdecombe is a dreadful snob and I think her remark re IKEA really showed her lack of good manners.

In my opinion, she is not a "bit of a character" or a nice, harmless little old lady. Look at quotes from previous interviews that she has given:

"Take, for example, the issue of single parents. Whenever a Tory mentions single parents, we are accused of scapegoating. Nonsense.

"Sometimes, the children miraculously turn out OK. But in a lot of cases they grow up dysfunctional, turn to drugs and crime and then repeat the same wretched pattern.

"In our day, to become pregnant before marriage was a disaster, not just for the stigma but because the girl didn't have a roof and you didn't have a breadwinner.

"Now, the State supplies the roof and the State is the breadwinner."

Widdecombe's answer to this situation is to provide "mother and baby homes" of the kind run by Catholic pro-life organisations. [They have a great record don't they]

"If I had been Ruth [Kelly], I would have resigned over the Catholic gay adoption issue. And I don't understand Blair's actions and his faith. There is no doubt he was a huge Catholic sympathiser. But he never once took a pro-life line on abortion."

This was the woman who condoned women prisoners being shackled whilst they were in labour.

India is so agressive, I don't like her. Rather old for tantrums surely.

I was amused by Widdies bright orange nightie . Did miss the chats between the women , an interesting group , can't say the same about the men but they have only been there a very short time I suppose.

Perhaps AW didn't want to risk a costume malfunction.

Eloethan, as you state, AW does hold very strong views on certain issues. I looked up her record yesterday as I felt there had to be a reason why India was so unaccommodating. I see AW voted consistently against any reform in the areas that many of the inmates hold dear. I continue to watch as I want to see if these views ever get aired. I would bet money that they are in there to try to change AW's views, or at least provoke her to debate, but I think they are on a loser there - on the change of views that is. I think she is a lady who will fight her corner to the bitter end. I do muse over whether she will exit the house of her own free will at some stage.

I'd never heard of India before but she doesn't come across very well. I can understand her being hurt by being "misgendered" but, in the first instance, I would give someone the benefit of the doubt and accept the apology graciously. I also thought it was quite interesting that she expressed quite negative views about drag queens, so presumably it didn't occur to her that her comments might make someone else feel belittled or uncomfortable.

I think she only wants to talk about herself, is not showing any interest, well not much, in other topics, Courtney/Shane however, is coming across to me as rather articulate in his views, loved "well, he's just not into you" and is great fun to boot!

Eloethan totally agree it was a definate case of "people in glass houses imo"
My DGS does tend to flounce off and bury his head under a blanket when he doesn't get his own way but he is 4 yrs old,enough said.

Is each housemate told who is going into the house ?

, I doubt anyone has gone in there in the hope of changing Widdies views, seems most reasons for going in are a flagging career, money or career is over, such as Wayne Sleep who no longer dances

NO, AB, I don't think they know who is going in but the makers of CBB do and they are not above a mix destined to provoke controversial views and reactions. Part of the entertainment. I do think you have quoted some of the main reasons for people putting their name forward but most people like to defend their reasons for being what they are or thinking what they do and I don't think this group will be any different should the debate turn from the trite to the serious.

I think India is self obsessed, nasty and boring.
While I don't always agree with AW, I admire her for sticking up for what she believes in.

Watching those 2 men trying to cry on Sunday's CBB made me want to cry too - I was so glad when it affected some of the other women in the same way!
Anne's total reluctance to watch the men in pain (during 'child birth') made me really think, because I found it amusing. But I came to the conclusion that it was only a game and they could remove themselves from the pain at any time. She was, I feel, taking it too seriously - like,it seems, she does everything in life. Chill out Anne, for goodness sake!

Anton du Beke said Anne had a great sense of humour , suppose like the rest of us she doesn't find some things amusing. Think how some found Bernard Manning funny, vile man.

I haven't watched BB for a couple of nights, the men had just entered the house when I last tuned in. I think the fact that it was advertised as "women only house" is a misnomer, it was the reason I tuned in and it seems this period was always intended to be brief.

Things may have moved on but I found India throughly objectionable and the ungracious in the way she refused to accept Amanda's apology like some sulky teenager, rather than a mature adult. A long while ago, back in the days when I probably last watched Big Brother, a Spanish transgender woman called Nadia was an overall winner. She won it on the basis that she had a winning personality and whilst, if I remember rightly, she talked about her personal issues around gender, she didn't bang on in the strident and very chippy way that India does. Society has now entered very choppy waters as far as trans gender is concerned and India isn't doing their cause any favours. Over on MN the consensus seems to be that the more vociferously she asserts she's a woman the more they see her as male. My personal opinion is she doesn't make a very realistic woman, there is more to being female than breasts, long painted nails and a load of slap. When she was drying her hair topless, she might well have exposed her newly acquired boobs, but at the same time photographed from behind physically she still has a male torso. Possibly the editing was unkind to her but thus far she comes across as very one dimensional, defined only as "I'm a woman don't dare misgender me" Just boring!

I wonder if India is comfortable as a woman , all that aggression and constantly defensive

I haven't watched last nights episode as yet so am off to do catch up layer to-day.

^later to-day^ sorry.

I do think Anne has a sense of humour and I think we have seen glimpses of that. I just believe she sees certain issues as sacrosanct and I am inclined to agree with her about inflicting pain and honing in on someone's grief. True, they can opt out at any time but I think she believes they should never have been put in that position in the first place. It reminded me of the Milgram experiment in America post WWII. It was to try to understand why so many ordinary Germans turned against their neighbours and inflicted pain and even death. Disturbingly, a high percentage of the ordinary people asked to take part were prepared to inflict pain right to the point of death or watch the administrator do so. Incidentally, no human was harmed in the experiment but the volunteers did not know that.

I did think the men in pain in child birth was in bad taste , not amusing.

I notice all the posts on here and other forums, are mostly about Ann.
I have to say I really enjoyed the conversation between her and Courtnay/Shane. The conversation on both sides was very respectful, and not like some off the housemates that shout and scream for camera time.
I really like Coutnay/ Shane as well. I also feel if Ann is evicted early the programme will be poorer without her.