Channel 5, On benefits: 100 stone and on the Dole.

Perzackly, galen. Quantity is what makes the difference.

Just thought(s), two three.

1. Isn't it said that you can eat every part of a pig? I presume that includes eyeballs.

2. Isn't mechanical sucking of stuff off bones just a more efficient method of gnawing what's stuck to them after cooking? Which most of us have done and enjoyed, surely?

3. And sucking marrow out of bones is an excellent idea for nutritiousness.

It's the quantity that they eat.
My father used to tell patients who said they ate nothing but were stilll obese
"There were no fat people in Belsen" probably non pc today, but it brought the message home to the generation who remembered the war and the horrors of the concentration camps

The point I'm making is that even cheap burgers are not 'junk'. They'll be more nutritious than, say, cream crackers or sugary pop (or even unsugary pop).

stansgran, I agree that there are different qualities of beefburger, though it isn't necessary to buy 'organic' in order to get a good one. 'Good' in my book is nutritious and tasty. I don't know what are the nutritious qualities of meat, ligaments, etc sucked off bones, nor of eyeballs, but it they are edible, then they are food even if of poor nutrional content. Whether they taste good is another matter.

Rice is widely accepted as 'decent' food even though it isn't very nutritious, as are various other staple carbohydrate-rich foods.

Just saying.

Galen that is !

tizliz fab link. I'm about to get up after a nap and make a treat - drop scones.

www.thespruce.com/five-ingredient-recipes-weekend-483310

This site has recipes of only five ingredients. I can cook but often get put off by long lists of ingedients.

Quite

I started to watch this but had to switch off at the first ad break after the 30 stone woman had a lunch of "doorstep" sandwiches, sausage rolls and crisps and then started talk about sending out for takeaway pizza and garlic bread costing £25??

Surely if you weigh that much you don't need a lesson in healthy eating to know you have to eat less.

What about all the healthy fit overweight people, who make no demands on the NHS and earn their living. No, not me, but I know several people who fit that description.

And, as I posted before, many of these truly excessive overweight people, are actually mentally ill in the way anorexics are and need to be sectioned in the way some anorexic people are while their mental and physical problems are. Then of course there are people with diseases like Prader-Willi syndrome and other illnesses.

Of course the fat and lazy do exist, but wholesale condemnation of one group of people because of one characteristic always makes me feel uncomfortable.

I was fuming watching this programme. I had some sympathy with man with MS until he started moaning that he couldn't afford to eat healthily on his income.
A healthy diet can be much cheaper than a junk one, and if you can't move around much you won't use so many calories and should therefore reduce their intake.

When I was in general practice in the midlands, I knew many families where no one had worked for 3 or more generations.
I remember being called to one such man who's wife was worried about him
"He's hallucinating doctor, he's talking about getting up and goon to work!"
He had a high temperature from a bad attack of tonsillitis

Wasn't there a television programme called "Can't Cook, Won't Cook" some years ago? The title says it all but I think it was about showing people how to provide simple wholesome meals.

Also what about the recipes from people like Jack Monroe? As far as I know they are pretty straightforward.

I refuse to buy into the poor them, never taught by their mums how to cook healthy food ........... look at all the kids who were literally dragged up looking after them selves grabbing a sandwich here or a packet of crisps there with snotty noses but many grow up to be wonderful sensible Mums and Dads

They, these over, over, over sized people, (not just a bit plump) are LAZY , looked after too much by the state and are fed by feeders Harsh I know but the state and the people looking after them are giving them a death sentence a very early grave and they are putting a burden on the state through their sloth like greed

They should only be given paid for personal care for a limited time and on the belief that they are on a diet and losing weight I would rather the money paid out for special beds, taxis etc was used to pay for a personal trainer for a year to get them into shape to be able to look after themselves whilst they are given healthy benefits they will spend it on food give the vouchers for friuit and veg

I didn't see the programme in question but I ve seen similar in the past

Usually

I agree that home influences are usually stronger than those taught at schools too.

I think Healthy Eating is still taught at school, but it is the food children are served that is most likely to shape their tastes and habits - and most of that os not served at school.

Healthy living was taught in schools as part of the Healthy Schools Programme

Wonder if it's still going?

I disagree Monica there's plenty of simple recipes out there and on TV. In fact some books have been criticised for being too basic like showing how to boil an egg. Was that Mary Berry or Delia?

Where there's a will there's a way. Sadly too many just CBA'd and have been brought up, as you say, on a 'buy a ready meal and pop it in the microwave' culture. In this I agree with you.

I think cookery programmes on television put people off cooking. All the recipes are so complicated, they use so many ingredients; many not easily obtained and they put a lot into presentation.

It would not be good television if they did quick simple dishes using 3 ingredients, a stock cube and herbs, cooked in the oven and then served with boiled rice and roast root veg.

The same applies to cookery books and recipes in magazines, too many ingredients, too many instructions. I love food and I am always collecting recipes. The first thing I do is remove or replace many of the secondary ingredients and cut the stages by half, but I can do that. I have the knowledge and skills. Many people do not.

I will not say teaching children about healthy eating at school is pointless, but children learn their eating habits from the food they eat - and most of that is prepared and served within a family context.

From the age she was capable of expressing a food preference DGD's favourite food was salad and she use to raid the fridge for it. As soon as she started school, she began to say she preferred chips, they were an occasional treat at home, and rarely served at school (healthy eating) but that is what other children said they preferred and ate a lot of at home.

Healthy eating and simple recipe books should form part of ante-natal services.

Not being facetious - I went to a burger bar with my son yesterday for lunch, and had the most delicious burger I have had in a long time: it's a vegetarian restaurant and the patty was made out of sweet potato and lentils. Topped with lettuce, tomato, cheese, and optional avocado. Yummy delicious.

I'm amazed that people who can't cook don't learn by watching television (presuming people have a telly)...there are so many inspiring programmes on. A friend's husband who had a very demanding job so he never went near the kitchen, is now out of work and he has taken to cooking the most delicious meals, picks up the free booklet from their local Co-op and follows them to the letter, self-taught.

I think 'health living' needs to be taught in schools. With the possibility of robots / AI taking over many jobs people will have more leisure time. Healthy eating / exercise/ financial management needs to be taught. Not everyone learns these lessons from their families.

PS did see one husband cook a lasagne for his 'model' wife. The size of the portions were unbelievable. That would have fed a family of 6 and still had some left to reheat for lunch next day.

Exactly Stansgran had this individual bought the ingredients himself, he could have had an insight into the make up of his 'beef' burger, the type of bun used and all the other bits and bobs that went into it. As it stood there was most likely the cheapest ingredients used in the 'beef' burger, white bread and goodness knows what else.

But so many CBA'd to shop for fresh ingredients, let alone cook them. I think ann60 is being generous when she suggests these individuals haven't been taught to cook as, though she is doubtless correct, there is no excuse these days with all the advice, TV programmes, books, etc. out there on the subject.

I was never taught to cook but I worked it out myself...having an 'A' level in Chemistry help too...same principle, just mix ingredients together in correct proportions and apply heat for a given amount of time

They only think they can afford junk food because they were not taught by their mothers to cook properly and the same life lessons will be be passed on to their many offspring, just like living on benefits for life.
I am sure that I ,like all of you, can produce cottage pie, large pans of stew and chicken dishes for half the cost of take away meals and junk.
They are not given an example so they don't know.
It will not be organic food but nutritionally will be as good.
Being flippant (very) this did not happen when there were no benefits at all and people had to apply for a few shillings poor relief or went into workhouses.
Perhaps a meeting ,somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, could be worked out.

I watched this and was so cross with the lady who was diabetic and was making no attempt at eating a healthy diet. Takeaways are not cheaper than meat and vegetables, people don't seem to want to cook from scratch now.

Depends on whether they are made with 100% organic beef or the sort where everything is suctioned off the bones and includes the gristle and eyeballs.