Richard III

Deedaa Surely we have to keep an open mind as none of us were there?

It's only 'uniformed garbage' because it's not your point of view.

Mid week, radio 4, is discussing the search for Richard 111 with the Leicester University archaeologists. X

Well the Daily Mail article is well up to the standard we have all learned to love! What a lot of uninformed garbage! There is no evidence that Richard personally stabbed Henry VI. He may or may not have ordered the killing of the princes but Henry VII wiped out practically the whole Plantagenet dynasty, including the Duke of Clarence's unfortunate son who was the true heir to the throne having been named by Richard instead of his own illegitimate son. As a king Richard would have been far better than Henry Tudor - inventor of Morton's Fork and The Star Chamber!

(apologies for the terrible English- I type very fast, and really must check before pressing on 'send' sorry!). What a pity GN will not allow editing!

Well, the event finally made out local rag here- there is a lot of interest from abroad. The father of a friend of mine here used to be a real British history buff- and he loved talking about all the great historical places of the Midlands. Perhaps a good resting place for Richard would have been the magical small village of Fotheringhay- where he was born, adn where Mary Queen of Scotts was executed for treason.

But that debate has long gone- so Leicester it is, whether we like it or not. I am looking forward to visiting the site when I next visit.

Prof Jeffrey did was indeed the discoverer of DNA finger printing. A very 'ordinary', friendly and humble man, despite his fame- which we always admired, and who sent his kids to the local Comprehensive.

Good point J52.

There is a wonderful symmetry in the fact that it was proved the body was that of Richard III using DNA. DNA being largely the result of work done at Leicester University!

We must also remember that Richard III had a Catholic burial by the Greyfriars, 500 years ago. So his soulless was redeemed. x

That is probably why they visit the Uk in their thousands I suppose whitewave, that and the fabulous architecture and scenery.

I think that other countries must be totally bemused by the way we live in the past, with our archaic system of monarchy.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3008671/Richard-III-one-evil-detestable-tyrants-walk-earth.html

I enjoyed reading this article.

www.theguardian.com/science/2013/feb/05/princes-in-tower-staying-under

An investigation that will not take place in the Queen's lifetime but after??

Haven't those people got anything better to do with their lives. ? The man was hardly a saint after all according to my DH who has taught History for 55 years.

Your DH is right KatyK !
I do wonder how many people of the thousands waiting to see the coffin had ever had a single thought in their heads at any time in their lives about this particular King.

My DH is a bit of history fanatic but he was watching the procession on the news and he said 'what a palaver to bury a few old bones'.

There has to be a reburial and because he was a king there will always be lots of people interested. There is massive interest from many other countries too.

I do think there has to be a bit of pageantry. Not just a body arriving by hearse and a service attended by the great and good.

Not sure about the cadets marching at Bosworth Field. I would have expected a few real soldiers. Having said that the youngsters did well and must have practised marching for hours.

I can't work up any enthusiasm for it either rosesarered.

I can't see the point of any of it! Some people will turn out for any old thing, others love the chance to look tearful and clutch a flower. such weirdness.

I think it's a shame that the bones are not displayed in a glass topped coffin. It was an extraordinary archaeological find and I can't see the point in filing past a wooden box.

I also have been fascinated by the part DNA has played in this

I was interested to see that the man who gave the DNA who was descended from Richard III's sister is a carpenter who made the coffin for him.

Recently we had dinner with our French neighbours and another French couple (Jean Pierre and Francoise).During the evening he started talking of England and its wealth of history which he absolutely adores.Conversation led onto Richard III whom he was extreme!y passionate about it and he had total admiration for the excatavion team and the work they had done and he plans to visit Leicester this summer. A week later a parcel arrived from Amazon containing a book "Richard III. The King Under The Car Park". It was from Jean Pierre. How kind was that? Sometimes we don't appreciate our history, monuments and treasures we have grown up with and taken for granted. It interesting to hear how those from other nations view us.

I also have been fascinated by the part DNA has played in this

Thoroughly enjoyed last night`s C4 programme and looking forward to the others during the week. I agree with you Merlotgran I always fancied Margaret Beaufort to be behind the Princes in the Tower mystery. Love my history

Trial!!

What would have been interesting is before we buried him, we brought him to trail over the Princes.

I agree vampirequeen about people coming out to watch the show, and I can see nothing wrong with that, but there is a thriving and very active. Richard III Society in Leicester and the people of Leicestershire have a huge fondness for him. It wasn't the people of Leicester who were fighting against him but, when he was defeated and paraded through the streets, it would have been a very brave man to have stood against the victorious soldiers and risked their lives too.

I didn't see York university trying to find him either!

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The Re-interment of King Richard III

10/03/2015 1:17 pm
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King Richard III

As part of the ceremonies marking the re-interment of King Richard III, Cardinal Vincent Nichols will celebrate Mass for the repose of the soul of Richard III in Holy Cross Church, Leicester on Monday 23 March 2015. There will be a further celebration of Mass in Holy Cross Church on Tuesday 24 March.

On Monday 23 March, just three days before Richard III is re-interred in Leicester Cathedral, the mediaeval Catholic parish church of Leicester, Cardinal Vincent Nichols, Archbishop of Westminster, will celebrate Mass for the repose of his soul in Holy Cross Church, the current Catholic parish church and Dominican priory in Leicester city centre.

In order that as many people as possible can be accommodated safely and the liturgy celebrated in a dignified manner, admission to this Mass will be by ticket only; the ballot for tickets is now closed, and successful applicants will be notified within the next few days.

The following day, Tuesday 24 March, Mass will be offered for the repose of the soul of Richard III in Holy Cross Church by the Dominican friars at 4pm.

This Mass will be open to the public, and no tickets are required. After Mass, the friars will process through the city centre to Leicester Cathedral, where they will sing Vespers, the Catholic Church’s evening service, at 5:30pm.

Mgr Thomas McGovern, the Diocesan Administrator of the Diocese of Nottingham, said:

"We very much look forward to welcoming Cardinal Nichols to Leicester this month for the Mass which he will celebrate in Holy Cross Church in advance of the re-interment of Richard III, one of the last Catholic kings of England, in the city in which he was buried in 1485."

Father David Rocks OP, Prior and Parish Priest of Holy Cross Priory, said:

"The Dominicans of Holy Cross Priory are looking forward to welcoming people from across the world to our beautiful church during the week when Richard III will be re-interred here in Leicester.

"More people than we could have ever hoped for have been in touch to ask for tickets for the Mass which Cardinal Nichols will celebrate on Monday 23 March, which is why we are pleased to announce another celebration of Mass on Tuesday 24 March, before the friars depart for Leicester Cathedral to sing Vespers in the presence of the mortal remains of Richard III. No tickets will be required for this Mass, and everyone is welcome to come along."