That burkini!

Well, all I know is that we never had to shower before being allowed into the public swimming baths in my youth - although you did have to go through the foot bath!

Granjura has made a big thing about hygiene, although only one poster mentioned that the burkini might possibly pose a problem in that respect. To get all uppity and defensive is uneasonable IMO but I doubt whether that will bother her one bit!

I didn't mention dirty
You said the poolside habits of the British were disgusting and unhygienic

^ Life is just too short, truly^
How true

I give up.

I never said your OP had racist overtones- and it was NOT me who raised the hygiene issue. You, again, choose to distort what I write.

So will you flounce this time again and say you are definitely leaving- as per usual? Or change name again for the humpteenth time? I never attack you, but I will respond if you do. Forum guidelines? well yes- but calling me a liar in very veiled terms is hardly fair, is it? Just stop reacting to every one of my comments with silly faces and OMG type posts- why do you insist on doing it, again and again.

Jalima of course not you (unless you recently changed names like so many do, again and again, against Forum rules- it would be so easy for me to do so- but I would find it dishonest, truly). I never said anyone was dirty- but that some groups, for some reasons (one being lack of school education on the matter, but not sure about why some groups, and others not- puzzling) automaticall shower as per normal, and others are very reluctant to do so. That is NOT racist, nor is it calling them dirty. Over and out. Life is just too short, truly.

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Well, I've never seen it.

Perhaps I only go to nice places

Still interested why all these people in all these countries were allowed to ignore rules and use foul language to the staff

Yes, it is clearer about the pool attendant granjura, I thought you meant the one in Sharm el wherever.

violently? no-one has been violent as far as I can see.

Who are your buddies Alea? Can I be one please (feeling left out, didn't realise that people had groups on here).

I'm a sole trader.

it was important to state that hygiene issues are not linked to the burkini, at all (or is it ok to cal people dirty, etc- as long as they are 'different'?)
No-one has called anyone dirty apart from you saying that about the British and some Germans granjura

I cannot follow any of the twisted logic in the previous post.

jalima, I don't get that you don't (get it)- it is as clear as a bell. If attendants remind people and attempt to stop them entering the pool unless they shower, the staff get insulted. At the private pool where I worked as a volunteer Director (unpaid)- I'll always remember one member who had been reminded time and time again, to shower and his children too- he gave the 'finger' to the member of stuff, put one foot under the shower and one hand from each 3 kids (he had just come from work and kids from school) and jumped in (which was not allowed either).

He did get a letter from the Committee threatening to be removed from the onwers' and members' list - and calmed down and showered, reluctantly and not properly (eg 10 seconds quick through- better than nothing) after that. Is that a bit clearer?

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PS I fully expect to be shot down in flames as this is bound to be construed as a "personal attack" on someone or other

Given that this started by being an ostensibly lighthearted thread about beachwear and the freedom for women of religious groups who might otherwise not be able, to enjoy the seaside it has been well and truly railroaded in directions few of us might have expected including UK and German showering habits, or not as the case may be. Why that particular red herring was introduced is still a mystery unless it was just an opportunity to say how much worse our habits are than those in other European countries. Easy to criticise and maybe hard to provide evidence to the contrary , for those of us who have not experienced the charms of Sharm. I would hesitate to judge the behaviour of Brits/Americans, French or indeed the Germans. However I still remember swimming in a lake in France and seeing a dog poo floating in the water inches from my face . "C'est une crotte, Madame" shrugged the attendant , the "eh, alors?" left unspoken.
The fine detail of budgie smugglers v. letting it all hang out, faecal matter (eugh!!) was enough to put a person off their Easter eggs, so the less said the better.
So Burkini -liberating or oppressive?
Hygienic or not?
Money-maker for Marksies? - the jury's definitely out!!

Jalima, doing this means abuse to staff, and letters 10 pages long (I know!) ... and of course very different in a public or private pool.
I have no idea what that second paragraph means.

Well, my conclusion is (for what it is worth) we should all wear M&S rather unflattering burkinis if we wish to swim in a pool (men included). Then we will all be nice and hygienic and any lingering fecal matter presumably contained.

I have never worn a bikini anyway (too much exposed flesh to get burnt).

Jalima, of course it is not a racist statement, and I am sure you know that. I should have said 'a few' instead fo some. Perhaps they felt as so many didn't bother, why them?

Jalima, doing this means abuse to staff, and letters 10 pages long (I know!) ... and of course very different in a public or private pool.

That would be interesting

If there are signs saying showering before entering the pool is compulsory why do the pool attendants not have the guilty removed from the premises

What was truly disgusting was the other guests, mainly Brits and some Germans, who would cover themselves with loads of suntan oil, sweat for a couple of hours, jump in the pool (without using the showers which were at each end of the pool and the many signs present saysing showing was compusory) and then start all over again- several times a day! Now THAT is disgusting and unhygienic

The % of people in anyone country accepting proper showering as the norm, eg automatic, depends very much on the education given from a young age- as in skandinavian countries, Germany, etc.

So: My conclusion from those two statements is that the British are not taught how to be clean, but the Germans are and ignore the lessons they have learnt.

I do hope that is not a racist comment about the Germans, there seem to be enough racist comments on this thread already (and by 'racist' I do not mean anti-Muslim as one cannot be racist about the religion of many different peoples around the world).

Or even of arousing anybody's furry

janeaw- in the past you have got at me for mentioning that the Deep South of the USA still has very racist undertones, with the KKK still very much there, barel hidden under the surface. Often thought about you during the Trump campaign, when much evidence to that came to light- But we digress, so back to this thread.

Well thank you for that gj. As I remember the exchange, it was another sweeping generalisation on your part, on that occasion anti-American rather than anti-British.

no fury Alea- I have learnt from the past. No-one, not even you and your constant personal attacks will do that. Try as you might. I wish you a great day.

Annie- perhaps some people are less prone to swear at staff reminding them of the rules (reasons were well explained again and again in newsletter) - if they have been brought up with clear scientific evidence about how showering is essential and how to do it (a quick sprinkle from top for 3 seconds won't do much)- and the risks if you don't (eg risk of breathing difficulties, skin rashes, etc, from staff having to increase cleaning products, chlorine or other to keep within safety rules and the law), but also gastroenteritis and worse.

The % of people in anyone country accepting proper showering as the norm, eg automatic, depends very much on the education given from a young age- as in skandinavian countries, Germany, etc. At our school education board, teachers at our local primary school say they do not mind if the kids only have a short time in the pool at the first visit- and that teaching them how to shower effectively (eg clean the back area) is more important the first time, and explaining the reasons why.

Wouldn't dream of arousing anybody's fury

Nankate no offence taken and no apology required- but thanks.

janeaw- in the past you have got at me for mentioning that the Deep South of the USA still has very racist undertones, with the KKK still very much there, barel hidden under the surface. Often thought about you during the Trump campaign, when much evidence to that came to light- But we digress, so back to this thread.

The Burkini is not an issue at all with hygiene, but not showering before the pool is, here, there or anywhere.

Of course showering will not get rid of all bacteria, and that is fine. But washing sweat mixed with suntan lotions really does help with pool hygiene. As far as piddling in the pool, that is the least of your worries- it is fecal matter that is the problem. Anyone who, say, cycles in the shorts they intend to wear in the pool, will sweat on the saddle and leak anal fluids. This is the main area that needs thorough showering before going into the pool.

Alea - many of us have handled several jobs and rôles in our lives- are you really doubting my word here (wouldn't be the first time sadly).

Yes I know people with money swear, but do wealthy people not own / rent holiday homes with swimming pool, I am sure there have been British people who have used abusive language in public swimming pools , but in every country?

Anniebach. Reality alert!! People with money DO swear.