Lords Prayer advert banned

I saw or heard no mention of their church, nothing was said to persuade people to buy , I suppose it's called an advert because it was to be shown during the adverts break but I don't see how it can be claimed to be a P R stunt.

So it isn't to be shown and in a way I am sorry because if it helped just one person it would be worth the criticism it is receiving

I don't know, it was just called an 'advert' in the OP and I presumed it was

What was the church advertising ?

I thought the advert was made by the C of E so I don't see why any reference was made to other denominations of Christianity

I think the same Crafting , the church doesn't profit from it or gain from it

Just read in the paper that over 490,000 people have now watched this advertisement on YouTube. Presumably in lots of cases to see what all the fuss was about. Personally I think it was done in an attempt to help people at a time of terrible tragedy rather than to recruit people to join the C of E.

If that's how you choose to read it Ana

Good grief Elegran, when did I say I feared persecution ?

So it means 'Don't test us'? I find that hard to believe...

I have just Googled and found this explanation, ana ( www.fpcjackson.org/resource-library/sermons/and-lead-us-not-into-temptation-but-deliver-us-from-evil )

"The word temptation is now almost universally used in a negative sense, meaning to solicit someone to do evil. That makes it difficult for us to read such passages as James 1:13, which states categorically that God does not "tempt anyone." If that is so, why pray for God not to lead us into temptation? This assumes that God does lead us into temptation on certain occasions. The confusion arises because ever since the seventeenth century, we have tended to use the word tempt in this restrictive negative sense. But the word is capable of a positive rendition in the sense of "testing". And in the Greek the same word is used of both senses. James, in the previous verse to the one just cited, uses it in this sense, the NIV and NAS translations choosing to use the word "trial" instead of "temptation" (as the older KJV did): "Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial" (Jam 1:12). "

I've always thought it meant 'don't let us be led into temptation' - perhaps that's what I was told as a child, but it works for me anyway.

Ana I think "do not test me to the point of destruction" is one interpretation of it. Could be that the spiritualists don't go along with that? Or with the more common interpretation of deliberately putting temptation in our way.

Except - (without minimising the attacks that some christians face, like being beheaded for instance) - most atheists don't actually hate christians, they just don't wish to join them, anniebach, so you are unlikely to be persecuted for your faith.

You might be criticised for something you say or do, but not for your beliefs.

That's strange, that the spiritualist church presumably doesn't mind being led into temptation...

sorry, just an aside.

Some churches leave out a word or two Jingle, the spiritualist church doesn't use - lead us not into temptation , but it's still The Lords Prayer

Cat calling and worse at the prayer doesn't bother me, as a Christian I accept Christ was jeered whilst being crucified.

No wish to upset the atheists here but Christ did say - remember, if the world hates you it hated me first .

This has given me the ability to take years of mocking on forums

ab you have already said that, haven't you? Sorry.

It's not a PR 'stunt'. Perhaps a 'reaching out'? You can't fault that really. It's just the time and place I question.

I am beginning to come round to the idea. Except for the cat-calling. But that might not happen.

I am totally about this talk of "versions". Why would anyone think a slight difference in wording, or length, would make any difference?

The Christian version used by Methodists , Baptists, Anglicans, Spiritualist Church, and the RC church with the exception of - for thine is the kingdom, Evangelican, JW's, Salvation Army

I can only give the churches of members I have worshipped with

I do not see this so called advert is a PR stunt by the C of E, I see it as a church reaching out to people in a time where fear and hatred is gripping the country . No church expects people filling the pews because they hear The Lords Prayer

I recall in a discussion on food banks and soup kitchens some said - why doesn't the churches do more, no matter they have been feeding the hungry for years . Now they are criticised for reaching out spiritually

Catholics use the Matthean (sp?) version but others (?) have a bit tagged onto the end.

Which Christian version?

So what version was it of the Lords Prayer - that was the question.

Anya, Methodists, Baptists etc are not Anglican

So was it the Anglican version or the Catholic version that was banned Annie - there is a difference.

Part of HM's job description is Defender of the Faith, ab.
It's not unreasonable for her to refer to it on Christmas Day. No one has to listen if they don't want to, but she always makes her message as inclusive as possible.