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No wonder our prisons are full

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gransruleok Mon 31-Aug-26 17:57:40

I watched an item on the news this morning telling the very sad story of a man who stole a phone in his youth and is still in prison twelve years later. He didn’t murder anybody, he didn’t abuse anyone, he was probably ‘a bit of a lad’ and stole a phone. Surely he shouldn’t have been sent to prison in the first place. Community work and/or probation would have sorted him out. And, while I’m at it, why are judges not made to retire at 65? A lot of them are so old they have no concept of how the modern world works.

Cossy Mon 31-Aug-26 18:03:30

Have a look at the other post re early release? Discussions there to around no room in our prisons.

Completely agree with you thanks

JenniRen Mon 31-Aug-26 18:13:09

Yes, your post would be relevant on the Early Release thread, gransruleok.

I agree with you.
Imprisonment for Public Protection (IPP) sentences were scrapped in 2012 but did not apply retrospectively.

Jaberwok Mon 31-Aug-26 18:39:23

Same with the House of Lords. They also should have to retire at 75 max, not when they die often aged 85 + !

Sarnia Mon 31-Aug-26 19:00:27

Sound like Victorian times, except for the phone. They used to incarcerate people for trivial things back then. Why don't the powers that be do something about it?

AGAA4 Mon 31-Aug-26 19:34:33

I saw that news item too this morning. His son and sister were talking to the BBC. He has been in prison for over 14 years for the theft if a phone.
He has been moved from one prison to another while they try to sort his case out and now suffers from.mental health problems.
How many more like him are taking up places in prisons for a very minor crime which shouldn't have resulted in a prison sentence?

SueDonim Mon 31-Aug-26 20:12:18

Yes, the IPP sentences are appalling. They need a proper review for everyone.

I heard an item on R4 the other day about how many prisoners on parole get called back because they’ve broken their conditions. One poor chap was back behind bars because he didn’t receive notification of a parole appointment he has to attend because he was both homeless and didn’t posses a phone so the letter never reach him.

The systems seem so inflexible and no one can - or dare not - break with convention and use their judgment on the severity and cause of breaches.

Primrose53 Mon 31-Aug-26 20:24:36

I saw his sister on TV today. She is a Vicar.

MissAdventure Mon 31-Aug-26 20:29:15

How absolutely ridiculous, not the fact that his sister is a vicar, the sentence.
Totally unjust, the poor man.

Iam64 Mon 31-Aug-26 20:43:05

I know one man, late twenties when he led armed robberies, including a MacDonalds where children were present and staff as ever very young. He had been offending since age eight. Was a violent, scary drug user/dealer who had not responded positively to any of many attempts to get him on a better path. He was given a public protection sentence, ie with no release date.

I visited him months into sentence. He looked very well, presented as stable and able to effectively discuss difficult issues calmly and reflectively. As with so many like him, he brought certificates to confirm he was attending education and group work.
This was the first occasion I’d been in his company when he wasn’t behaving in a threatening explosive manner. I don’t know if he is still in prison. These sentences were always oppressive though welcomed by many members of the public.

I heard the sister of the mobile phone thief interviewed, he was a persistent offender with a drink problem. He’d lost touch with his family. His story is not uncommon. Many prisoners have mental health and substance misuse problems that see them isolated from family support. Many offenders were abused/neglected, dropped out of school or permanently excluded. Large numbers are illiterate, many it’s suspected neuro diverse- adhd, dyslexia etc,

Unsurprisingly many early release prisoners are back in hmp. Probation or other services unable to support them..

It needs money and long term commitment to prevention

JenniRen Mon 31-Aug-26 20:59:58

Perhaps the problem is that some offenders should have received more support for their MH problems in prison and then released on licence with support?

The sentence in some cases seems out of proportion with the offence but they obviously needed expert help.

It seems rather like the cases of those women who were incarcerated in MH institutions for years because they had a baby out of wedlock.

SueDonim Mon 31-Aug-26 21:31:12

The support for ex-prisoners just isn’t there nowadays, when they are on parole or newly released. I guess if you’re just cast out on the streets with nowhere to go, you’ll look for what you know, which may well be the company of those who led you into trouble in the first place.