Sympathy for Harry anyone?

They love the media glare Syracute. Love it. If they didn’t they’d live quietly in America like thousands of other celebrities that we never hear about.

Nope. It is often parroted what is written and threads are started tge minute DM has a headline about them.
No here could survive that sort of media glare much less 3 different threads of nonsense.

They are both proven liars that’s what turns people off. Most can see through them. His book, their interviews, tv shows, the grifting off Invictus designed to rehabilitate their images, all of it. Now, we add to that a court case where he lied under oath about knowing journalists and yet once her Facebook messages were revealed he knew her intimately and popped pills on her tongue. Let’s see if he sues her for revealing that. Somehow I doubt it.

They have people in their pocket like Chris Ship on itv, various reporters across different newspapers and their pr people have a wattsapp group for favoured journalists. Strange given his hatred of the press.

No. The facts are not 'gleaned from tabloid press hate-driven articles.'
The facts are taken from words and actions committed by Harry and Meghan in interviews, films and their ghost written . 'books'.
Straight from the horse's mouth.
Primary sources.

Syracute
The main reason people dislike H&M is due to their behaviour (Oprah and Spare, as has been stated many times) not due to what the media have made up.

MarieElla

The 'real information' was provided by H&M in their interview with Oprah and then lots more in H's book, Spare. And lots more slagging off of the Royal family on interviews.
I've just stated facts and not been rude whereas Luckygirl13 has been rude and, at times, insulting in defending a couple that she doesn't even know!

There have been a lot of hateful disgusting remarks on this thread . Nobody here knows them personally and can not judge . Most so called facts are gleaned from the tabloid press that gleefully profit on hate driven articles.

The 'real information' was provided by H&M in their interview with Oprah and then lots more in H's book, Spare. And lots more slagging off of the Royal family on interviews.
I've just stated facts and not been rude whereas Luckygirl13 has been rude and, at times, insulting in defending a couple that she doesn't even know!

Not rubber * 😮

I am polite too. Always.
The fact that I find H&M irritating beyond belief is allowed. 😁
I’m never mean or rude.
I had great hopes for them within the royal family. A breath of fresh air.
Then they chose to walk away from it all (and us).

It hurt for a while (stupid I know to say that) but as the latex Queen counselled him - he couldn’t be half in/half out - so he chose ‘out’.

But not really. And not fully.
I’ve lost respect for him.

Enjoy your life Harry. You have a beautiful wife, two gorgeous children and pots of money. However your life seems a bit empty I think. So do some good. Find a job, a vocation. Some meaning to it and well ‘just get on with it now’. Quietly, if possible. Thank you.

I also want to thank you for your posts Luckygirl
You are never less than reasonable and polite.

Thank you Syracute.

Thank you Lucky Girl for your comments. It is unreal the amount of negative energy people vent towards H and M . I just want to say thank you for those here like Lucky Girl that give a different and welcome viewpoint.

Luckygirl3

Not "telling off "nor "policing" - people are free to receive my comments as they will - but simply pointing out that there is a choice to not join in the vendetta on the basis of no real information.

I cannot start a positive thread about them because I do not know what they are like - I know only what the media would like us to think about them and I do not take this at face value. I find it disturbing that so much venom is directed at them with no evidence.

As long as you’re not directing venom I’m sure you’ll be fine. If it disturbs you, then just scroll past.
Continuing to read something that you know upset you or will puzzle you or disturb you is not healthy. It’s like a self inflicted injury.

Not "telling off "nor "policing" - people are free to receive my comments as they will - but simply pointing out that there is a choice to not join in the vendetta on the basis of no real information.

I cannot start a positive thread about them because I do not know what they are like - I know only what the media would like us to think about them and I do not take this at face value. I find it disturbing that so much venom is directed at them with no evidence.

What I find fascinating about it all is that there is clear evidence that H&M lie about things that cause great grief and trouble to others and yet there are those who just will not accept it. It’s rather like the mothers of murderers who always claim he was a lovely boy who wouldn’t hurt a fly.

The other thing is they never say why or give evidence to support the claims that he is a good person. Just deny and deflect from all the evidence out there, some of which comes from his own book!

MarieElla

Luckygirl13
I think your issue is that because you disagree with what a lot of us are saying on this thread about M and H, you want to 'tell us off'. It doesn't work that way.
You remind me of elderly, disapproving aunt telling teenage nieces and nephews to stop misbehaving.
It doesn't work that way. You can't police grown women like this.
You are activity encouraging more negativity about them by expressing yourself.
Why not start a positive thread about them?

I think you make a good point MarieElla.

We all have a right to express our opinions and to disagree with some opinions, but explaining that your way is better, expressing surprise or puzzlement that anyone can have a different opinion or telling off rather smacks of VS. 🙏

Luckygirl13
I think your issue is that because you disagree with what a lot of us are saying on this thread about M and H, you want to 'tell us off'. It doesn't work that way.
You remind me of elderly, disapproving aunt telling teenage nieces and nephews to stop misbehaving.
It doesn't work that way. You can't police grown women like this.
You are activity encouraging more negativity about them by expressing yourself.
Why not start a positive thread about them?

It is good to hear thst Australia is reporting in a positive way.

*But if none of us know what the truth is
Then one opinion is as valid as another.* That is of course true. We then have the choice to say nothing, say something positive or join in a vendetta of accusations.
I am at a loss to know why some people choose the latter.

There were a few news items about M and H visit to the UK here. All positive and glad that they were able to meet with the family. They tend to not bother with the negative things here and when they visited Australia all our news items were positive. Unlike the reporting in the UK. Different perceptions I suppose. I wouldn’t say Meghan was popular, they just don’t particularly comment on her. but mostly they are positive about Harry except recently over his court case.

But if none of us know what the truth is
Then one opinion is as valid as another.

The guessing game in your last paragraph shows how easy you find it to make comparisons between two things that haven’t happened. That’s a typical medua action.

No - I am telling people that none of us know what is really going on or what the truth is. We do not know whether Harry's grievances are valid - but this does not stop people condemning him. This is my concern.

We all only really know what the media tell us, and we know what they did to Diana, and to Meghan who was briefly flavour of the month and then they turned on her and everyone followed. There were times when it felt as though she and Catherine could have done something identical and the one would be lauded for it and the other slated.

Luckygirl3

Molly ... it seemed important to me not to join the media-led and selectively media-informed vendetta against this couple, not because they are any part of my life, but because I am deeply concerned about fairness and about the sort of trial-by-social media that features so much now. It feels wrong in principle.

But you are joining the media-led and selectively informed simply by your participation on a form of social media. You are doing what the media do-in putting forward your POV about a couple you know nothing about except through the media.

Gosh!
😅😫

If you say so!

Luckygirl13
You are over invested....seriously.