Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

Thousands of British people sleeping in vans, cars, tents, sofa surfing and ironing the streets. Thousands of British people waiting for local authority housing. Our country is borrowing money for the boat people to keep them housed and fed. So we ignore our homeless, borrow more money, take in refugees and look after them as priority? This is financial suicide for our country which will send it towards bankruptcy. British people born here should be first. Once they are housed they will be in a better position to get a job and contribute to our economy.

Primrose53 so it's ok for the Turkish police to beat people with iron bars and for them to get frostbite and lose limbs. You say 'Different cultures behave differently. They should stay where they are' Surely you can't mean that? ??

Good post Lemonjam

Oreo

Primrose53

I believe mainly from Eritrea and Sudan.

Be interesting to see how many migrant supporters on here offer to take them into their homes!

If it’s the same as Ukrainian scheme you will get paid about £380 a month.

Getting ready for the usual excuses - haven’t got a spare room, can’t afford it, I live in a flat, I am too old, my second cousin twice removed lives with me etc etc. 🤣

It’s def twaddle I agree.

The measure of success of the proposed scheme will not specifically be how many Gransnet posters put themselves forward to offer residence in their own homes. 



Generally Gransnet posters may be of an older demographic, may be more risk averse as a result, may have health issues, may be on an NHS waiting list for surgery, more likely to live alone, more likely not be working, so more likely have reduced income so may not be able to afford the additional costs to their household by taking a refugee into their home.

Many Granset posters may offer support for refugees, in a different way via local volunteer activity- e.g. helping them speak English, cookery lessons for typical English dishes etc to demonstrate active support for refugees.

One scheme is not exclusive of other schemes. 

The measure of whether a Gransnet views this scheme as positive is not measured by their willingness to be first on the list to offer. residence in their own homes and be judged poorly by other posters if they do not do so. Neither does any Granset poster need to justify their choice on this matter.



The Government, society and individuals choose how they behave towards asylum seekers and refugees. There is a continuum from one end- tolerance, compassion, empathy and active support and voting for a government at a GE that wishes to meet the Uk's legal obligations as set out in the 1951 Human Convention. The opposite end of the spectrum features hatred, antipathy a 'get them all out and/or stopping them coming in the first place' rhetoric and voting for a party at the next GE that is supportive of that rhetoric and a variety of views in between the 2 ends of the continuum. We get policy in line with what we vote for and currently the LP is in government and this is their proposed scheme.

Oreo

LemonJam

What's the difference between taking in a Ukrainian family, ie women and children to taking in a Somali family?

It won’t just be women and children tho will it?

Not just but will include women and children. The scheme is said to be similar in to the Ukraine scheme thus what is the difference in posters minds? My question was in response to:

Also there is no way a comparison of taking in a family from Ukrainian, women and children while the men are fighting can be the same as a young man coming to live in your home from one of these countries mentioned

Taking in a family of any nationality is different to taking in a single young man. the scheme prosed is not directed solo to young men at all. My question remains- what is the difference of taking in a family from Ukraine to taking in a Somalian family?

And I will be surprised if this idea gets off the ground in any meaningful numbers.

Primrose53

I believe mainly from Eritrea and Sudan.

Be interesting to see how many migrant supporters on here offer to take them into their homes!

If it’s the same as Ukrainian scheme you will get paid about £380 a month.

Getting ready for the usual excuses - haven’t got a spare room, can’t afford it, I live in a flat, I am too old, my second cousin twice removed lives with me etc etc. 🤣

It’s def twaddle I agree.

LemonJam

What's the difference between taking in a Ukrainian family, ie women and children to taking in a Somali family?

It won’t just be women and children tho will it?

mumofmadboys

That article is truly shocking Wyllow3.

Different cultures behave differently. They should stay where they are.

She isnt, she took in 2 Ukraine families, re read the article

That article is truly shocking Wyllow3.

WithNobsOnIt

Milliedog

We hosted a lovely Ukrainian girl for a year. While she was with us, she continued with her degree on line, worked 2 jobs and went to English classes. Would we host a fighting age man from a totally different culture? Not a chance. I see these thousands of undocumented young men arriving on boats as an invading army. We have no idea if they have criminal backgrounds or not. And I'm absolutely furious that our government hasn't dealt with it properly. Shocking.

Yep. Definitely true.

And here are some of these young men who dont deserve asylum? Just read this article

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8k4pz91n5o

Sorry 4allweknow when would you be concerned you had offended someone culturally?

I'd be concerned I offended them culturally and ended up being accused of racism.

If we don't want people coming through illegal routes then we need legal routes don't we?

Macaydia

What about young British citizens who cant afford their own homes? Is there a scheme for that?

Well said. They are definitely the priority for me.

Sadly, Casdon those who should follow this link won't believe the information even if they do because GB news and the Daily Mail will tell them a different story.

It’s like painting by numbers on here sometimes. Just look at the evidence.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70989jrdweo

Milliedog

We hosted a lovely Ukrainian girl for a year. While she was with us, she continued with her degree on line, worked 2 jobs and went to English classes. Would we host a fighting age man from a totally different culture? Not a chance. I see these thousands of undocumented young men arriving on boats as an invading army. We have no idea if they have criminal backgrounds or not. And I'm absolutely furious that our government hasn't dealt with it properly. Shocking.

Yep. Definitely true.

Sarnia

That will pretty much sound the death knell of this Government, irrespective of who is PM. I am not anti-migrant. I have no issue with families relocating here for a better life. However, the amount of single young men concerns me greatly. Many of their cultures do not respect or value women. They bring those beliefs with them and we read about many sexually motivated crimes committed against girls and young women. It does not bode well for our country.

Hear, hear. Nice to hear someone say it as it is. For a change. Instead of trying to sound like holier than thou and very liberal.

Our Government has ACCELERATED the vetting process, in the short time it has been in power.
Just because it's not been headlining in The Mail or the Telegraph or GB News does not mean it has not been happening.
That is 'doing something'.

If we bring more immigrants in, how on earth are we going to be able to pay for the Defences we so badly need, and apparently cannot afford. We are letting our NATO allies down as well as ourselves.
I despair of the financial state of our country now.

What do you think is going on in Sudan?

We hosted a lovely Ukrainian girl for a year. While she was with us, she continued with her degree on line, worked 2 jobs and went to English classes. Would we host a fighting age man from a totally different culture? Not a chance. I see these thousands of undocumented young men arriving on boats as an invading army. We have no idea if they have criminal backgrounds or not. And I'm absolutely furious that our government hasn't dealt with it properly. Shocking.

In your link, the illegal immigrant refried to is a failed asylum seeker that is after their asylum application has failed they thus have been fully screened and assessed and have no legal right to remain in the UK, thus now, in the government's assessment term, an illegal immigrant.

I object however to the term illegal immigrant being incorrectly applied to those who arrive at a UK border seeking asylum offensive because everyone has the right to seek asylum legally under the 1951 Human Convention AND they are following UK government instructions.

Therefore it is less offensive to refer to asylum seekers by the term asylum seeker or refugee rather than an illegal immigrant which can be deemed offensive.