Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

Now I didn't know that CatsWhiskas.
Maybe Posters don't usually dig so deeply into the actual stats.
Thanks.

Strange to consider that if the Labour Government, who won a huge majority, yes, I know, there was an element of tactical voting, was so 'out of touch' with what the majority of citizens want, then how do you attempt to explain that majority?
Puzzling, isn't it?

Chestnut

Be careful who you let into your home. For two years an elderly couple in Sunbury-on-Thames looked after an 16 year old Iraqi called Ahmed Hassan who had claimed to be an asylum seeker. Then aged 18 he planted a bomb on the tube train at Parsons Green in 2017. It was an act of terrorism and 30 people were injured. He was arrested at Dover on his way out of the country and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 34 years. The jury believed he was older than he said.

Claiming to be much younger is a well known ruse Chestnut. They know if they claim to be a child they will go to a nice, cozy family home and get well looked after.

Look at this vile creature who killed an aspiring Royal Marine and had also attacked his foster Mother.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21143259/foster-mum-asylum-seeker-killed-brit-attacked-her/

Sunshinegirls

This Labour government are so out of touch with what most of the British people want which is less immigration. Perhaps 30 years ago this policy would have been welcomed but now after all the illegal immigration, the fiasco with the hotels, HMOs and now the military barracks with more men in them than residents in the villages, men who are free to come and go as they please, people have had enough. Why not offer this scheme to British Veterans and they wonder why voters are turning to Reform.

Where's your evidence that most British people want less immigration? Or that people have had enough? Most voters aren't turning to Reform.

If you look at the ethnicities which have been recorded, you'll see that some groups such as black Caribbeans are over-represented while Bangladeshis and "Asians" are under-represented. Black Africans are slightly more likely to be arrested than average.

Black Caribbeans are twice as likely to be arrested than average. That could be because they are targetted by the police or it could be that they really are more likely to be involved in criminal activities, perhaps connected to their environment - I honestly don't know.

What is interesting, however, is that almost nobody arriving by boat in Dover and claiming asylum is from a black Caribbean background. The people who are arriving belong to groups which aren't over-represented in the ethnicity crime figures.

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest/

This Labour government are so out of touch with what most of the British people want which is less immigration. Perhaps 30 years ago this policy would have been welcomed but now after all the illegal immigration, the fiasco with the hotels, HMOs and now the military barracks with more men in them than residents in the villages, men who are free to come and go as they please, people have had enough. Why not offer this scheme to British Veterans and they wonder why voters are turning to Reform.

foxie48

Ethnicity is a self identified category so it relies on someone answering the question and you don't have to.

Yes, even more concerning.

Ethnicity is a self identified category so it relies on someone answering the question and you don't have to.

greyfur

foxie48

Sago the question I asked which you haven't answered was,
"if currently the ethnicity of criminals isn't recorded, what makes you think immigration is relevant? "
Actually the Ministry of Justice does collect information on the ethnicity of prisoners but it does not record immigration status. There isn't any evidence to suggest that immigrants, "illegal" or otherwise commit more crimes than British nationals but perhaps when they are convicted of a crime it is possible that this is more widely reported in the media? If you find anything that provides evidence that "immigrants" commit more crimes, if you attach a link, I will, of course, read it.

I suppose if you believe something, it's easy enough to find evidence to back up your thoughts.

While the MoJ does collect this data, tracking ethnicity is not mandatory. As a result, the statistics face several notable gaps:Missing Ethnicity Records: Approximately 33% to 36% of defendants' ethnicities are listed as "unknown" at the Crown Court and magistrates' courts. This frequently occurs in less serious offences handled via the Single Justice Procedure.Immigration and Status: The Ministry of Justice does not routinely publish comprehensive breakdowns of all crime perpetrators categorized by strict immigration status or nationality.Offender Characteristics vs. VictimizationThe MoJ focuses on the demographic characteristics of defendants and convicted offenders. In contrast, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) measures crime from the victim's perspective using the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW).

'Be interesting to see how many migrant supporters on here offer to take them into their homes!'

Excellent point, Primrose53. I have a right-on friend who tut tuts at people who do not mirror her own idealism regarding migration (let 'em all come, etc. etc.) but who, although she has plenty of spare accommodation, feels that she 'wouldn't be up to having other people living in her house' (that's a direct quote). Classic case of do as I say, . . .

Grammaretto

We hosted a Sudanese asylum seeker 30 years ago for about 6 months. The civil war there was terrible . Peter was from Juba in the Christian South and was a mature student in Edinburgh when we heard of his plight. He sought asylum and managed, via the church, to bring his wife and 2 children here to join him. His mother died in a refugee camp in Kenya.

Once his family arrived he was so relieved and relaxed. They found housing in Edinburgh and are still here. Both found work and their DC are doing well.

Since then ofcourse the political situation has changed in both our countries. South Sudan became a separate country but the fighting continues.

Here the sympathy for people escaping war has waned.

Btw Peter is the most anti -Moslem person I know.

I thought he would return to Sudan once the war was over. He would tell us of the beauty of his country. The fertile Nile valley the forests and animals. He was a vet.

I think here people probably like to think their good deed isn't going to be forever. 6 months yes but surely not for longer.

We should be putting our resources into creating peace in these war-torn countries instead of picking the sores of the horrible incidents we hear of in the news.

That is a lovely story Grammaretto.
What a wonderful thing you did for that young man and his family.

Unfortunately I feel that because of the huge influx of single young men arriving here undocumented and then behaving in a ways alien to our culture that will be few reaching out to the deserving.

foxie48

Sago the question I asked which you haven't answered was,
"if currently the ethnicity of criminals isn't recorded, what makes you think immigration is relevant? "
Actually the Ministry of Justice does collect information on the ethnicity of prisoners but it does not record immigration status. There isn't any evidence to suggest that immigrants, "illegal" or otherwise commit more crimes than British nationals but perhaps when they are convicted of a crime it is possible that this is more widely reported in the media? If you find anything that provides evidence that "immigrants" commit more crimes, if you attach a link, I will, of course, read it.

I suppose if you believe something, it's easy enough to find evidence to back up your thoughts.

Yes, enormous authentication problems, which is why I keep going on about now being the time to recruit an effective and properly resourced task force to vet these applications.
It is important.
It should be a priority.
It would be a skilled occupation for our young folk , now that AI is taking so many entry level jobs from graduates and co.

Sago the question I asked which you haven't answered was,
"if currently the ethnicity of criminals isn't recorded, what makes you think immigration is relevant? "
Actually the Ministry of Justice does collect information on the ethnicity of prisoners but it does not record immigration status. There isn't any evidence to suggest that immigrants, "illegal" or otherwise commit more crimes than British nationals but perhaps when they are convicted of a crime it is possible that this is more widely reported in the media? If you find anything that provides evidence that "immigrants" commit more crimes, if you attach a link, I will, of course, read it.

If you re-read Tulip's post, you will discover that there was in fact relevant information, that the authority concerned chose to not share.

Maremia

Yes, of course be careful.
All of these previous incidents will serve to focus on who is genuine and who is not.

Therein lies the problem, I haven’t noticed anyone advertising that they are future rapists, terrorists or murderers.

Those arriving by small boats have been advised to destroy their paperwork, this is an enormous problem for our border control teams.

Didn't know that Tulip.
Crossed posts.
Unfair, to keep that info from the couple.

Yes, of course be careful.
All of these previous incidents will serve to focus on who is genuine and who is not.

Chestnut

Be careful who you let into your home. For two years an elderly couple in Sunbury-on-Thames looked after an 16 year old Iraqi called Ahmed Hassan who had claimed to be an asylum seeker. Then aged 18 he planted a bomb on the tube train at Parsons Green in 2017. It was an act of terrorism and 30 people were injured. He was arrested at Dover on his way out of the country and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 34 years. The jury believed he was older than he said.

Apparently the couple were highly experienced foster parents and he was being fostered by them whilst his asylum claim was being investigated The authorities knew about his extremely views/ links but did not tell the couple

Be careful who you let into your home. For two years an elderly couple in Sunbury-on-Thames looked after an 16 year old Iraqi called Ahmed Hassan who had claimed to be an asylum seeker. Then aged 18 he planted a bomb on the tube train at Parsons Green in 2017. It was an act of terrorism and 30 people were injured. He was arrested at Dover on his way out of the country and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 34 years. The jury believed he was older than he said.

Maremia

Tuliptree, sorry if I have caused confusion.
I was referring to a post by GG13.

And I got the wrong thread anyway 😀

GrannyGravy13

Grammarerto our (UK) involvement in foreign wars and/or affairs has a rather chequered history

It certainly does!

All the more reason that we (the UK) should offer refuge to those fleeing foreign conflicts.

I know GrannyGravy but the alternative is worse!

Grammarerto our (UK) involvement in foreign wars and/or affairs has a rather chequered history

Tuliptree, sorry if I have caused confusion.
I was referring to a post by GG13.