Lest we forget what we have just lost ....

MayBee70

One of Burnhams supporters interviewed by Emily Maitliss has said he doesn’t feel sorry for Starmer because he ‘f**cked up’. Can’t imagine Starmer supporting MP speaking like that. And Burnham is demanding that Starmer hands overstate information as if he’s PM already I believe.

Well let’s hope his ego won’t be his undoing?

Doodledog

Oreo

It is to Labour! And to us all who don’t want to see the Conservatives back or Reform.

As I've said, I think he did the right thing by standing down, but I don't think he was useless or ineffectual, as the list in the OP shows.

I think he would have been an excellent leader even 30 years ago, before it became easy for those with money to dripfeed propaganda and simplistic slogans. These days, we need people with a different set of skills, and can just hope that those who have them can also be statesmanlike and politically astute. It's a big ask!

And I don't want to see the Conservatives back, or Reform, so I don't know who you mean by 'us all'. You are speaking for others again.

It’s simple enough to understand…. ‘And to us all who don’t want to see the Conservatives back or Reform.’ It means exactly what it says on the tin.

Cossy

MayBee70

One of Burnhams supporters interviewed by Emily Maitliss has said he doesn’t feel sorry for Starmer because he ‘f**cked up’. Can’t imagine Starmer supporting MP speaking like that. And Burnham is demanding that Starmer hands overstate information as if he’s PM already I believe.

Well let’s hope his ego won’t be his undoing?

I think all those who are happy to become PM have pretty robust egos.

Cossy

MayBee70

One of Burnhams supporters interviewed by Emily Maitliss has said he doesn’t feel sorry for Starmer because he ‘f**cked up’. Can’t imagine Starmer supporting MP speaking like that. And Burnham is demanding that Starmer hands overstate information as if he’s PM already I believe.

Well let’s hope his ego won’t be his undoing?

Just expecting him to come on and score a winning goal for England…

Maybee70 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I know a good few 25-40 year old Green supporters

Yes Cossy, my grandsons (aged 17 & 19) both support the Greens. The elder boy is very politically minded (did Politics A level) and is currently at uni - says all his friendship and study groups at uni are supporting the Greens.

I can see why young people would do this.

LizzieDrip

^I know a good few 25-40 year old Green supporters^

Yes Cossy, my grandsons (aged 17 & 19) both support the Greens. The elder boy is very politically minded (did Politics A level) and is currently at uni - says all his friendship and study groups at uni are supporting the Greens.

I can see why young people would do this.

Yes so can I, bless them.

Oreo

Doodledog

Oreo

It is to Labour! And to us all who don’t want to see the Conservatives back or Reform.

As I've said, I think he did the right thing by standing down, but I don't think he was useless or ineffectual, as the list in the OP shows.

I think he would have been an excellent leader even 30 years ago, before it became easy for those with money to dripfeed propaganda and simplistic slogans. These days, we need people with a different set of skills, and can just hope that those who have them can also be statesmanlike and politically astute. It's a big ask!

And I don't want to see the Conservatives back, or Reform, so I don't know who you mean by 'us all'. You are speaking for others again.

It’s simple enough to understand…. ‘And to us all who don’t want to see the Conservatives back or Reform.’ It means exactly what it says on the tin.

As I understand it, the tin is saying that anyone who doesn't agree with you must want to see the Conservatives or Reform in power. I am simply pointing out that that is far from the truth.

Just expecting him to come on and score a winning goal for England

MayBee if there’s no leadership contest and Burnham is catapulted into No 10 before the end of the World Cup tournament and if (this is a big IF) England win … I’m expecting Burnham to claim it’s something to do with his ‘vibe’ as the new PM⚽️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿😜

And if we lose it will be Keir’s fault…

… ha, ha! Of course it will🙈

You’re not understanding the tin at all Doodledog but that’s ok.

Oreo

You’re not understanding the tin at all Doodledog but that’s ok.

I'm reading what's written on it. It is clearly not as simple to understand as you say you think.

But in case I am being simple, who do you mean by 'us all' if you are excluding people like me who most certainly don't want to see a Conservative or Reform government?

I'm still bemused by the title of this thread.

We haven't 'lost' any of the listed achievements, they're enshrined in law, and there is no reason why another PM couldn't preside over more. Starmer wasn't the messiah, either.

Starmer was absolutely awful. I was so glad not to have him as our PM. You lot are living in another universe. Thankfully most agree and are glad to see the back of him. Andy Burnham has got to be an improvement and I really wish him well.

Andy Burnham has got to be an improvement

Labour can't be any worse than the Tories


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Ilovecheese

The Labour party as a whole achieved these things. They are not due to Starmer.

By that logic, no Prime Minister ever deserves credit for anything. We don't say "Churchill didn't win the war, Britain did" or "Attlee didn't create the NHS, Labour did" whenever achievements are mentioned. The question isn't whether Starmer acted alone, but whether those achievements occurred because of the government he leads and the direction he set.

I don’t think he’s done too bad look what he inherited. He wasn’t as flash as Boris or charismatic as his predecessor but I think he did the best with what he had to work with.

Doodledog

Oreo

Doodledog

Oreo

It is to Labour! And to us all who don’t want to see the Conservatives back or Reform.

As I've said, I think he did the right thing by standing down, but I don't think he was useless or ineffectual, as the list in the OP shows.

I think he would have been an excellent leader even 30 years ago, before it became easy for those with money to dripfeed propaganda and simplistic slogans. These days, we need people with a different set of skills, and can just hope that those who have them can also be statesmanlike and politically astute. It's a big ask!

And I don't want to see the Conservatives back, or Reform, so I don't know who you mean by 'us all'. You are speaking for others again.

It’s simple enough to understand…. ‘And to us all who don’t want to see the Conservatives back or Reform.’ It means exactly what it says on the tin.

As I understand it, the tin is saying that anyone who doesn't agree with you must want to see the Conservatives or Reform in power. I am simply pointing out that that is far from the truth.

Like most things in the uk. It’s either black or white.

The media has been undermining Andy Burnham for months and it will escalate now

Starmer did turn the LP round and led it into to a great election win. I continued to support him, despite the frequent introduction of policies, only to pull back when the backbenchers didn’t like them. Comms wuth his own party dreadful, with the country even worse.
The Mandelson appointment then denial of knowing the extent f Mandelson’s relationship with Epstein did for me. I emailed asking how this reconciled with his long commitments to improving safety for women and girls. No response, usually there’s a standard acknowledgment at least, more often a response

The speed of his downfall is a tragedy but imo his time was up.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5QoVGUbQp8
And while Keir is meeting European leaders discussing our relationship with them and the future of NATO Burnham is busy putting funny memes on social media. How wonderful to have a funny PM again instead of someone so serious and boring…

Then why is the demand on Foodbanks increasing?

eazybee

^Andy Burnham has got to be an improvement ^

Labour can't be any worse than the Tories


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I don’t know about the Tories, didn’t really follow them so it wouldn’t be a good comparison for me. We did hear about Johnson from time to time but more his escapades and that he nearly died with Covid. I certainly didn’t make the last comment I think you are a bit confused there.

nanna8

eazybee

Andy Burnham has got to be an improvement

Labour can't be any worse than the Tories


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I don’t know about the Tories, didn’t really follow them so it wouldn’t be a good comparison for me. We did hear about Johnson from time to time but more his escapades and that he nearly died with Covid. I certainly didn’t make the last comment I think you are a bit confused there.

If you didn’t follow the Tories can I ask why you suddenly took an interest in the governing body of the country when it became Labour?