Andy Burnham won Makerfield

Excellent post LemonJam.

Worrying language used by KB there. It’s ‘combative humour’ and ‘banter’ … until it’s not!

I agree Casdon- Badenoch doesn't really ask questions thereby wastes her opportunities. She asks mocking, rhetorical questions- like today- with killing' type aggressive language. She helps neither herself or her party.

That’s an interesting question Galaxy. The most effective opposition leader at PMQ is Ed Davey, who doesn’t mock, but is very persistent in seeking answers to his questions. Ultimately that’s probably the most effective way of holding the government to account.

Badenoch mentioned a lot of killing- more than once at PMQs I hope she is OK as she does seem to be losing the plot

BBC report this afternoon: ‘The Conservatives have said Kemi Badenoch will not apologise for her language after a fiery Prime Minister's Questions in which she repeatedly attacked government ministers. During the Commons session, Badenoch said Labour MPs were cheering on Sir Keir Starmer despite there being "400 knives stuck in his back", with Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle calling for a little bit more decorum and respect.

The Conservative leader also suggested many Labour MPs are traitors and deserters before branding Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson a spiteful class warrior. Badenoch and Phillipson had a heated exchange in the moments after PMQs, and have since exchanged barbs on social media.

In the first Prime Minister's Question session since Sir Keir Starmer announced his resignation, Badenoch said Labour MPs have "abandoned" him for a "pair of eyelashes and a black t-shirt" - a reference to leadership front runner Andy Burnham……

Badenoch also accused Chancellor Rachel Reeves of killing jobs and Energy Secretary Ed Miliband of killing industry. Sir Lindsay intervened to highlight the need to think about the language being used in the Commons, saying when we leave this chamber, don't be surprised when constituents feel they can use the same language.

Asked if she would be apologising, a spokesman for Badenoch said absolutely not.

The pair exchanged words in the division lobbies afterwards, with a Labour source claiming that Badenoch told Phillipson: You are spiteful, I'm never going to stop talking about how spiteful you are Phillipson is said to have replied The public are going to find out who you really are.

A Conservative source said Badenoch also told Phillipson: I will fight you all the way, you're destroying children's lives...

Posting on social media, Phillipson later said "Kemi lost her head at PMQs - and afterwards too" and claimed the Conservative leader had previously compared her "to a Gestapo officer". She added: "I wonder what it is about a working class woman driving record investment in state schools by ending private schools' tax breaks that the Tories hate so much.”

Time will tell how Badenoch copes with the flak.

I am much more worried about the ripple effect on our society of people's attempt to control language. She was admonished by the speaker as many have been. I don't think that is in any way incitement.
Humour and mocking are a really important part of challenging those in power, always have been. PMQ s is by its nature combative, it us possible to argue how useful that combativeness is I suppose.

No I meant Badenoch will cope if it is 'turned on her' as someone mentioned.

As others here have commented, it’s not really about the MPs themselves ‘coping’ - I suppose they have thick skins and will move on from ‘hurtful’ comments.

It’s about the ripple effect out into society. Using mocking language becomes normalised, without any thought for those who may be hurt by it.

I was actually talking about KB coping - not BP -she (BP) will definitely cope .

BP's response If standing up for state schools makes me a spiteful class warrior, I’ll wear it with pride shows that she will cope.

I'm more worried about Badenoch......

I think AB will cope with the eyelash t shirt comment without loosing sleep.

It's interesting that your takeaway of Badenoch's comments to/about BP for which she was admonished by the speaker is that BP will cope. Perhaps you condone Badenoch's comments and behaviours Galaxy?

Galaxy

I think she will cope.

Well we’ll see,,,,

I think she will cope.

LemonJam

ie spiteful to Phillipson....

Yes sorry - post was ambiguous - KB used the word spiteful about BO. I wouldn’t use the word to describe KB -her behaviour is far more serious than that

ronib

At least one university is warning staff of impending job losses due to the increased costs in national insurance. Savings are expected to be found- around £20 million! Well done Labour …. Not.

I was in the DWP the year Tories came into power, the amounts of savings all govt departments had to find was horrific, and for 7+ years absolutely no salary increases for almost all public sector workers, but each year NI increased for employees as did our pension contributions, (sadly I only joined the Civil Service in 2009, so I missed the golden hey days of very good pensions), and no increases in public spending.

Some people have extremely short memories.

What did this austerity achieve? Absolutely nothing!

Typical stirring.

Just wait till they are repeated in certain parts of the press. Which was the plan all along. Ah....... foolish lady....wait till they do it to you in times to come.

Childish.

ie spiteful to Phillipson....

Tuliptree- I agree Badenoch was spiteful- and for no reason or just cause. I dont like this shift of certain politicians towards incitement using such language- it's a growing trend- that the public can then mimic. We should expect better from political leaders.

Hoyle was right to call it out. One thing that we do know about AB- and witnessed in the Makerfield by election run up and on Question Time- AB is inclusive ( in actions and words), not spiteful, mean spirited or divisive. He does not rise to the bait and never sought to undermine Kenyon on any occasion. That is a good thing and he still won.

kB used the words treachery and betrayal and in ref to BP spiteful. Tge Speaker criticised her language and then added that people should not be surprised when these words would be picked up and used against MPs by those outside the Chamber. Words like treachery and betrayal can be seen as inciting people. I’ve always felt that KB gets carried away with being cheered and overreaches herself very easily. She’s nowhere near as good as she thinks she is

As long as it’s not too hurtful, I enjoy the banter, I think it serves to lighten the mood in a forum that is by nature unavoidably adversarial.

My husband's speciality was cut 18 months after he left Cossy.
And at another university my own speciality went recently.

Some subjects are more expensive to run than others in terms of space (and staffing).
Maths and English (say) will I expect always be cheaper to run than Ceramics and Engineering.

To Cossy 17.48

Yes, I was watching. The eyelashes and t shirt comment did raise a laugh from both sides of the house, it was funny - and to be fair, accurate. Overall Starmer came out on top though.

I agree Cossy it is … but I’m not a fan of ‘banter’.

LemonJam

I think AB would be willing to face a leadership vote/election- just not sure it can be deemed his fault and his responsibility if other contenders don't put themselves up for a vote. But appreciate others hold different views.

I too agree.

Philippson responded well and even though admonished from the speaker and even though Badenoch got her facts wrong her spokesperson has said she will not be apologising.....