Andy Burnham won Makerfield

There are significant differences in the way that new party leaders are elected between parties, here’s a good explainer.
consoc.org.uk/choosing-party-leaders/

Galaxy

If the best we can say is they are the same as the conservatives it isnt particularly inspiring.
The adults are back in the room. Or maybe not.

I don’t disagree with that statement necessarily but I was just addressing the implicit view that Tories never changed leaders which you must admit was pretty risible

Galaxy

If the best we can say is they are the same as the conservatives it isnt particularly inspiring.
The adults are back in the room. Or maybe not.

The adults are back in the room

That oft used phrase on GN after the last election.

That’s coming back to bite them on the bum 🤦‍♀️

If the best we can say is they are the same as the conservatives it isnt particularly inspiring.
The adults are back in the room. Or maybe not.

MayBee70

Not aware that Labour were planning to abolish it

I have never trusted Rachel Reeves with her itchy fingers. Hopefully if all Burnham's plans come to fruition he will find another Chancellor. Quite frankly, anyone would be better than her.

GrannyGravy13

Now we shall have weeks if not months of uncertainty whilst Labour continues its infighting.

Should have kept the Conservatives…

When we used to have weeks if not months of uncertainty whilst they chose their next leader. Pot kettle black

MaizieD

Casdon

David49

I would have been stunned if he didn't win the momentum behind him was massive, Reform hasn't gone away smaller parties including the Tories came nowhere.

There is every reason why MPs rally round Burnham and depose Starmer immediately, they obviously want a change so why wait until after the summer break. Burnham "talks the talk" and should unite the Labour Party whether he can score enough successes to win the next election will be the real test.

And yet if you look at the Aberdeen South by election result yesterday, the Tories won easily, they got their first by election victory in Scotland for over fifty years. Reform came nowhere, nor did Labour or the Lib Dem’s. It’s all very interesting.

Aberdeen, the ‘oil city’ which has lost out on the decline in fossil fuels. The tories promised a greater concentration on the continuing use of fossil fuels. I’m not surprised that Aberdonians went for that. I think it’s a flash in the pan which won’t do much for their fortunes elsewhere.

Aberdeen South have played straight into Stephen Flynn's hands.

CatsWhiskas

GrannyGravy13

CatsWhiskas I was referring to the revolving door of No.10

Oh! I misunderstood you! I think Liz Truss's record is going to take some beating.

I totally agree.

The Conservatives screwed up big time electing her as leader, I still wonder what on earth people were thinking voting for her 🤷‍♀️

MartavTaurus

^I don't think that's true. The Conservatives would never have put VAT on school fees,^

And that is not true either. We can't say that about VAT on school fees. I'm not sure that the Tories wouldn't have done this too at some point. There were a lot of people in the Conservative party who would have gone along with it. There are no certainties.

They Conservatives had long enough to put VAT on school fees, fairly obvious it wasn't going to happen.

GrannyGravy13

CatsWhiskas I was referring to the revolving door of No.10

Oh! I misunderstood you! I think Liz Truss's record is going to take some beating.

Im so glad Reform didnt get anywhere.

More votes than all the other contenders- an emphatic win. He did it without divisiveness and thats a good change to see and the change politics needs.

I don’t think we will have months of leadership infighting. I suspect it will be short, clinical and again decisively in Burnham’s favour. His speech was good - let’s hope the path for change works out as hoped for the benefit of the country.

Well am glad Andy won the by election but not glad that there will now be a leadership circus when the country needs it like a hole in the head.
At this point any promises made by Andy may as well be written on loo paper, is the same with any careerist politician trying to get ahead or opposition parties, once PM things change, they always do, and promises will be broken.
Will see.

I don't think that's true. The Conservatives would never have put VAT on school fees,

And that is not true either. We can't say that about VAT on school fees. I'm not sure that the Tories wouldn't have done this too at some point. There were a lot of people in the Conservative party who would have gone along with it. There are no certainties.

Mollygo

He said he’ll keep the triple lock if he wins the next stage.

I agree with David. This is a fiscal mistake I think

CatsWhiskas I was referring to the revolving door of No.10

What a circus the Labour party is! Johnson may have been a clown, but Starmer is a plank, and walking the plank very soon.

I'm not sure AB will change much, but if he is what people have voted for, then ok, round we go again.

GrannyGravy13

The country voted for change, Labour are turning out to be carbon copies of the Conservatives.

I am annoyed, disappointed and frustrated in equal measures.

I don't think that's true. The Conservatives would never have put VAT on school fees, increased the number of children eligible for free school meals, opened more breakfast clubs, delivered the Employment Rights Act and loads of other things. You might not like them, but I don't believe it's true to claim that Labour and Conservatives are carbon copies.

Casdon

David49

I would have been stunned if he didn't win the momentum behind him was massive, Reform hasn't gone away smaller parties including the Tories came nowhere.

There is every reason why MPs rally round Burnham and depose Starmer immediately, they obviously want a change so why wait until after the summer break. Burnham "talks the talk" and should unite the Labour Party whether he can score enough successes to win the next election will be the real test.

And yet if you look at the Aberdeen South by election result yesterday, the Tories won easily, they got their first by election victory in Scotland for over fifty years. Reform came nowhere, nor did Labour or the Lib Dem’s. It’s all very interesting.

Aberdeen, the ‘oil city’ which has lost out on the decline in fossil fuels. The tories promised a greater concentration on the continuing use of fossil fuels. I’m not surprised that Aberdonians went for that. I think it’s a flash in the pan which won’t do much for their fortunes elsewhere.

Kandinsky

Bye bye Starmer.

Bye bye Reform.

Casdon

I just watched an interesting analysis on Sky News. There was a higher turnout than in the general election for this by election, which is apparently almost unheard of. With over 55% voting Burnham it was decisive.

Yes, 55%

Just amazing.

David49

I would have been stunned if he didn't win the momentum behind him was massive, Reform hasn't gone away smaller parties including the Tories came nowhere.

There is every reason why MPs rally round Burnham and depose Starmer immediately, they obviously want a change so why wait until after the summer break. Burnham "talks the talk" and should unite the Labour Party whether he can score enough successes to win the next election will be the real test.

And yet if you look at the Aberdeen South by election result yesterday, the Tories won easily, they got their first by election victory in Scotland for over fifty years. Reform came nowhere, nor did Labour or the Lib Dem’s. It’s all very interesting.

The country voted for change, Labour are turning out to be carbon copies of the Conservatives.

I am annoyed, disappointed and frustrated in equal measures.

Now we shall have weeks if not months of uncertainty whilst Labour continues its infighting.

Should have kept the Conservatives…

Mollygo

He said he’ll keep the triple lock if he wins the next stage.

All parties state the triple lock will remain, I don't agree but the pensioner vote is very powerful, so it will be clawed back in other ways - thats politics.