Andy Burnham won Makerfield

Thank goodness the government does pay. Where would they be without care and support.

Being in the care home for autistic adults business with 6 homes we do not have one resident that their family pays for. The government pays it.

MaizieD

^I also have a great fear that if Burnham takes over the Labour Party we will go too far to the left^

I am always curious to know what 'too far to the left' actually means and why it should be something to be feared...

People are looking in the wrong direction, have been doing for some time, it is in fact the far right we should be worried about.
Left wing politics gave us many decades of a well run NHS - before the rot set in due to governments from both sides of the divide - social housing, free prescriptions and university places, and nationalised industries that resulted in less to pay and better run public transport and water provision etc.
I really don’t think we should subscribe to creating a bogey man when history provides a very different story.
But in any case the left wing has been castrated, not only here but across Europe, so why people think it will be an issue is a mystery to me.

I think so too Galaxy.

There is in my view very little chance of much move to the left ( and we would all have very different ideas of what that means) , I think unfortunately it will be a similar party with a few tweaks.

I meant Starmer isn't charismatic neither is Burnham who has a people's appeal for local issues. Think he'd be out of his depth as prime minister.

After the continual debacle of the Tories. I can't believe so many think it's a good time for a lengthy, costly and untimely leadership challenge Burnham does not appear to me to be prime minister material. I get it he doesn't have the charisma which many think is needed. We've had charisma in a few before but they weren't effective prime ministers. I'd prefer to give Starmer his full term. There has been so many unforeseen global problems. Being a successful mayor is very different to running a country.

I also have a great fear that if Burnham takes over the Labour Party we will go too far to the left

I am always curious to know what 'too far to the left' actually means and why it should be something to be feared...

I don't know Sarnia. I read in one of the papers the other day that Ed Miliband was going to put himself forward for Chancellor - don't know if it's true or not. He was awful as a Prime Minister back in the day.

Ed Milliband was never PM. He was leader of the Labour Party and so leader of the opposition.

I must admit that I don't fancy him as Chancellor. I think he should stay where he is, where he is doing pretty well.

Cath9

I agree with LemonJam
I also have a great fear that if Burnham takes over the Labour Party we will go too far to the left and we will end up like what happened when Corbyn took over.
I can understand many feel they cannot trust the Conservative Party when it’s not so much the party it is the awful mess that Boris got us into while I feel Kemi Badenoch is a great positive thinker with a plan in place which Labour don’t seem to have.

cath9

not a criticism, food for thought

I don't think that wont happen. Burnham is "soft left" not hard left and is a realist, Corbyn is an idealist.

And my info (our MP) is very much there is are plans and there won't be some massive differences as we are constrained by resources.
I also think there are far more plans in place already but constantly obfuscated by the press.

I am confused by the idea that Badenhoch has any further real plans except cut the welfare budget

Not easy when you hear about unmet social needs in the caring, NHS/mental heath and Education sectors. Has she said what she would slash

How does she plan to ID those who are cheating/taking advantage of our welfare system as opposed to great need?
the country is in a mess left to us,

I think those on the right have no real, solid ideas how to address it. Promises, not policy.

Sorry that was to frogeot s post not to you Maybee

Casdon

Pilgrimandrew

Who in their right mind is still voting for Labour?

55% of the population of Makerfield. Are you saying that 55% of all the people who live in that constituency are not in their right mind? Crikey.

“Crikey”A fabulous word don’t hear very much of it these days… 🤗

Eh?

stewaris

Sarnia

MayBee70

Not aware that Labour were planning to abolish it

I have never trusted Rachel Reeves with her itchy fingers. Hopefully if all Burnham's plans come to fruition he will find another Chancellor. Quite frankly, anyone would be better than her.

I don't know Sarnia. I read in one of the papers the other day that Ed Miliband was going to put himself forward for Chancellor - don't know if it's true or not. He was awful as a Prime Minister back in the day. He's forging ahead with setting up wind farms but we don't have the infrastructure at the moment to transfer it to GB homes. So let's sell it to France where, if the papers are to be believed we will be paying them to 'buy' our electricity. All in the name of setting a goal the country cannot achieve at the moment.

When was he Prime Minister?

What terrible things did he do? Unless you read the Torygraph wholesale you’ll know his cabinet were for a proper social care system not a lottery.
That mal
Kew it for me. Then a prog of work reform for ups. Getting rid of privatisation in the nhs. No to support for Israel in taking over Gaza and more settlements.m
What’s not to like?
Unless you believe in Israeli foreign policy and don’t want a fair SocialCare system..

Pilgrimandrew

Who in their right mind is still voting for Labour?

55% of the population of Makerfield. Are you saying that 55% of all the people who live in that constituency are not in their right mind? Crikey.

Pilgrimandrew

Who in their right mind is still voting for Labour?

Quite a few of us and probably all think who on earth would vote for Reform let alone Restore? Especially women!

HelterSkelter1

If only, as Susieq62 has said above, that Burnham and Starmer could work together. Add in Streeting as well. Brains and the best of intentions for the country. If Burnham and Streeting are only working for their own ends, they will split the Labour Party. They dont need a contest just crack on with the gov as it is. They have a bl***y big job yo get on with.

If only! Trouble is all politicians appear to have such oversized egos!

Sarnia

MayBee70

Not aware that Labour were planning to abolish it

I have never trusted Rachel Reeves with her itchy fingers. Hopefully if all Burnham's plans come to fruition he will find another Chancellor. Quite frankly, anyone would be better than her.

I don't know Sarnia. I read in one of the papers the other day that Ed Miliband was going to put himself forward for Chancellor - don't know if it's true or not. He was awful as a Prime Minister back in the day. He's forging ahead with setting up wind farms but we don't have the infrastructure at the moment to transfer it to GB homes. So let's sell it to France where, if the papers are to be believed we will be paying them to 'buy' our electricity. All in the name of setting a goal the country cannot achieve at the moment.

I agree with LemonJam
I also have a great fear that if Burnham takes over the Labour Party we will go too far to the left and we will end up like what happened when Corbyn took over.
I can understand many feel they cannot trust the Conservative Party when it’s not so much the party it is the awful mess that Boris got us into while I feel Kemi Badenoch is a great positive thinker with a plan in place which Labour don’t seem to have.

That’s exactly what happened in Wales in our Senedd election MaizieD. The voters were fed up with Labour after over 20 years, but went, in a full PR system, for another left vote, ie Plaid Cymru, and were able to keep Reform out of power. Now the Senedd is sitting, the other parties are voting frequently with Plaid rather than supporting Reform’s opposition, too.

Tooyoungytobeagrandma

I liked the fact that a fairly new, unknown (to some) party knocked conservative and lib dem out and came third. Can't stand Starmer, Farage gives me the creeps and politics in general leave me cold. BUT the fact that a small party came third, with a leader who dares to upset the "establishment" has peaked my interest. If they have enough people to stand in the next GE I may well actually vote 🗳 😁

The fairly new, unknown, party didn't knock conservatives and LibDem out. The 3,00 odd votes Restore got were probably about all they were likely to get. This wouldn't have been notable in most by elections.

I strongly suspect that both Lib Dems, tories, and Greens, gave their votes to Burnham because they were utterly determined that Reform should not win when polling was putting them closer to Labour than the result actually justified. I also suspect that had there not been so much depending on the Labour win their vote share would have been more representative of the parties' strength in the constituency.

Though it is interesting to speculate that Reform is loathed so much by centre, centre left, and decent centre right voters that they will vote tactically to block it. Other, more 'normal' by elections could be informative on that point.

A pity we didn’t have Burnham when Labour ditched JC.
It was not JC or his policies which shaped the last election but the smearing, controlling msm.
AB is not JC but much preferable to the parvenu traitorStarmer.
As to wanting Tories-does no one hear remember the farce of the Tories in lockdown and lettuce gate?

GrannyGravy13

Now we shall have weeks if not months of uncertainty whilst Labour continues its infighting.

Should have kept the Conservatives…

I don't think it's so much a question of in-fighting as a stubborn - yet weak - Prime Minister trying to survive on dwindling authority, losing the respect of his MP's and rendering his government thoroughly impotent.

There's been an AI clip,on YouTube, of two guys trying to drag Sir Keir out of Number 10 as he clings to the front door with all his might.

I hope it doesn't come to that.

Pilgrimandrew

Who in their right mind is still voting for Labour?

Me! Absolutely.