German voters slide inexorably to common sense …

dw.com survey "How do Germans view Angela Merkel's legacy";

61% said the country's situation has deteriorated since Merkel left office.

David49

We should all take notice what is happening in other countries it's not just Germany, Hungary, France, Italy are all moving to the right in politics, how much we will follow time will tell.

Im hoping that national interests dont take centre stage because if Germany stops bankrolling the EU and become protectionist there could be big changes afoot. With an aggressive Russia on our doorstep and the US stepping back, we need unity.

I agree, David49.

I'm currently in France for a few months and keeping abreast of politics here. France is keeping a respectful distance as regards politics in Germany, (they have to try to be united, especially as the latest joint defence project has just gone pear-shaped).

In France, political analysts are saying that, should the AfD win in the upcoming election, then a similar move to the right may rapidly gain traction in the hexagon.

Time will certainly tell.

MT62

My friend from Germany tell me the German people want Germany back to pre-Angela Merkle.

Exactly what our German relatives say MT62.
When Merkle went crazy and opened the borders to all and sundry I predicted then that she would walk away afterwards and she did just that.

And again about the Russian malevolent interference, report today on the BBC about the trial of the arsonist who attack Starmer's property.
The criminal had taken money from a Russian source to do this.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Good luck to the AfD and Reform.
Common sense is finally emerging. The welfarism cannot (and should not) be sustained.

Having read all the links other posters have provided about AfD- I expressly do not wish the party good luck

I do not view AfD's ideology as common sense. AfD consistently advocates for closer ties with Russia- how is that common sense?

UK intelligence views Russia as the most acute state threat to British security. British security agencies ( including cybersecurity) assess that Russia is relentlessly engaging in hybrid warfare against the UK and Europe, blurring the line between peace and war. I prefer peace, civil order and democracy.

I'm not sure what you mean by welfarism FGT2.

11:41Cossy

Errr I think you are over reacting to my post and twisting it to suit your own agenda.

Cossy I think we are at either side of the centre of the so called political spectrum but I absolutely and wholeheartedly agree with your post at 11.41.
So well put that I can not add to it.

My goodness twaddle, have just gone back to one of those links you posted, from the BBC, describing symbolic and other links that the AfD has with the Nazis.
I am sorry if this comment is triggering for some Posters, but the notion that they should gain power is concerning.

fancythat

a. I am not a "supporter of Reform" - I do wish you would get your ideas right about me.
Frankly, I am fed up of you misrepresenting, not reading what I say correctly, etc etc.
Where have I said "I am a supporter"?
I have said I may vote for them.
I have also said, multiple times, I am a floating voter, and by definition, I float.
That is not that hard to understand.
Please read, and better still, ingest correctly.

If someone told me that they would vote for whoever, any reasonable person would assume they supported their policies.
If you find that offensive I have no problem with you reporting my posts.

Well said nanna8 and Doodledog.

Mollygo

Cossy
Why?? Because some don’t agree with you??
I agree with you, but at least fancythat has admitted she’s reporting.
That’s a step in the right direction.

Yes that’s true, but personally, unless someone has really overstepped the marked by being personally insulting or swearing or bullying, I simply don’t agree with this whole “reporting” and “removing” of posts and threads and it’s not even fancythat that made this thread!

FGT (as is fancythat) is just as entitled to post a thread and be able to read the responses, in full, ad the rest of us.

Of course many of us all have differing views/beliefs/opinions to others, we are all very different people, with different experiences in life and different jobs roles, different backgrounds, different educational interests and achievements.

It doesn’t make any of us right or wrong (unless of course we are dealing with a factual or scientific or proven subject)

No one on here should feel scared to express their views!

Equally, if someone asked me to be express “why” or “how” my views are/were formed I’d be happy to attempt to explain.

We are all “grown ups” here, please let’s act like adults and accept others have moral compasses very different to our own.

I know I have difficulty understanding prejudice for example, but others might have valid, not necessarily right, reasons for their prejudices.

Well I hope people refrain from reporting. I don't see a problem with posters disagreeing with each other, the site would become a very boring place if it became an echo chamber. I think it's easy to misunderstand posts or believe a post is personal, when often it isn't. When it is, tbh I'd rather it stayed in place for others to see and judge.

Maremia

Careful of what Sarnia?

You might be deleted or reported or exterminated or all three?

Careful of what Sarnia?

Cossy
Why?? Because some don’t agree with you??
I agree with you, but at least fancythat has admitted she’s reporting.
That’s a step in the right direction.

Maremia

Are those German relatives hoping to morph back to the old days, say the 1930's?

Careful!!!

Well at least we know, from this thread, who likes to use the report button!

Oreo

Reform wouldn’t have the numbers necessary to form a government fancythat
People do change mindsets in nearly a hundred years about very many things, we remain human with all our flaws but are generally more liberal.
Modern Germans are aware of their past and want to bury it.
Could a person in the 1920’s have envisaged gay marriage, that trans people would be accepted, that welfare would prevent utter poverty? Attitudes change as well as laws.

Thank goodness, because in the main, and there are exceptions, this is a good thing.

Most people move on too and again, in the main, this is also a good thing.

Just to get away from migrants, for one second, because sadly our world have caused many of the issues around migration.

I think if people see injustice, in their eyes, if they challenge this then that’s a positive.

I don’t want to backwards and I think we all have very different ideas of what “sense” means and is, and it’s often not “common”, ie widely accepted.

fancythat

You have not answered the question.
Just repeated what you have already said.

I am going to report the whole thread.

There are many posts which are "off". In my opinion.

One thread was deleted yesterday.
I think this thread needs to go too.
Up to GNHQ.

Why?? Because some don’t agree with you??

How utterly ridiculous of you.

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

Anyone willing to continue to support them after fully understanding the implication of their policies does not imo deserve a place in civil society.

Simce I am being asked to clarify.

You want them killed?
Rot in jail?
What exactly.

Blimey fancythat your imagination is taking you to some very unfortunate places.

Perhaps if you replaced civil with say polite or people who accept the values and norms of our society, which have been fought for and established over hundreds of years. You might understand what I am saying.

Mosley stepped outside of these norms and was given very short shrift by the Jews in the east end who understood the implication of his rhetoric.

Well said WW, these brave Jews were joined and supported by other minority groups, such as West Indians and the Irish.

You have not answered the question.
Just repeated what you have already said.

I am going to report the whole thread.

There are many posts which are "off". In my opinion.

One thread was deleted yesterday.
I think this thread needs to go too.
Up to GNHQ.

Sunshinegirls

Reform are not far right but The Restore Party is. A lot of people are fed up with the Uniparty after 14 years of the Conservatives and 2 years of Labour our country has gone down the pan. Only Reform is listening to voters concerns.

The Conservatives are Right Wing (no issue with that), Reform is to the right of the Conservatives, Restore are to the right of Reform.

I’m not a Tory supporter, but I think KB makes a very good leader of the opposition, is a good speaker and has made some extremely good points.

Reform and Restore have exploited the general public fears, anxieties and ignorance regarding Asylum Seekers. They have publicly lied time and time again about Aslyum Seekers, including their status in the UK once their claims are lodged, about the fact that Asylum Seekers cannot claim mainstream benefits and about them not contributing to society, when our laws prevent them from doing so. They labelled them all as vicious, criminal thugs, and serial rapists. They’ve lied about national and international Asylum laws and they’ve lied about International Maritime Law. They’ve unfailingly lied about Asylum Seekers being cause of almost every issue UK people face on a daily basis and they’ve lied about how many Asylum Seekers countries outside the EU have taken in themselves. They have caused some people to wish we had no migrants. They have made it politically OK for people to openly express their negative opinions about “foreigners”, particularly those with brown skin and Muslims.

You, as the entire UK, can support whomsoever you choose and you can verbalise your feelings here and elsewhere. We can all do this because we still have the right and freedom to do so, despite Farage, Trump and Musk consistently insisting we in Britain have “lost our right to Freedom of Speech”.

Whilst I do respect your right to choose whom to support and the choice to voice your views and beliefs, I clearly do not agree with those choices.

Anyone, particularly women, who chooses to support the far right parties in our countries and other countries, should really think very hard about their own daughters and granddaughters rights, won by women prepared to actually sacrifice their lives for their beliefs.

Like others on our site I’m actually utterly horrified by some of the rhetoric on both this thread and others here.

If you feel, genuinely believe, that it’s OK for people who are born here to riot, burn people’s homes, burn and attack Aslyum Seekers hotels, damage property and attack the police, then, in my humble opinion, there’s something a little askew with your moral compasses. Btw, before you jump on, I condemn and abhor the awful crimes committed by a very small numbers of Asylum Seekers and do not seek to excuse or support them.

I wasn’t born in the UK, nor was my DH. I’ve always had a British passport, but could claim dual nationality. My DH still only has an Irish passport.

We’ve both lived in the UK from around 4 years old. Our parents lived and worked and paid their taxes. As have we and all 5 of our children. Of course, it helps that we have white faces and speak with English accents.

Where was your outrage for white on white violent crime? Where was your outrage on white on non white violent crime?

fancythat

^Anyone willing to continue to support them after fully understanding the implication of their policies does not imo deserve a place in civil society.^

Simce I am being asked to clarify.

You want them killed?
Rot in jail?
What exactly.

Blimey fancythat your imagination is taking you to some very unfortunate places.

Perhaps if you replaced civil with say polite or people who accept the values and norms of our society, which have been fought for and established over hundreds of years. You might understand what I am saying.

Mosley stepped outside of these norms and was given very short shrift by the Jews in the east end who understood the implication of his rhetoric.

We should all take notice what is happening in other countries it's not just Germany, Hungary, France, Italy are all moving to the right in politics, how much we will follow time will tell.

Im hoping that national interests dont take centre stage because if Germany stops bankrolling the EU and become protectionist there could be big changes afoot. With an aggressive Russia on our doorstep and the US stepping back, we need unity.

I am going back to not saying anything more on this highly emotive thread.