Migrants Hated everywhere??

Primrose53

OK, I’ll bite because clearly you are expecting some to disagree.

Firstly, I think “hate” is the wrong word.

Secondly, I have never met a person yet who does not mind at all the people who come here legally, with qualifications to get a good job and work and pay their taxes. They support themselves and we admire their skills and their work ethic. We have welcomed them for decades.

However, many countries are completely fed up now with asylum seekers/illegal immigrants, irregular immigrants (call them what you will) getting into their homelands with no means of supporting themselves and becoming a drain on their own country.

You mention Brits who move to other countries. Entirely different because they support themselves and don’t cost their host countries anything.

I have a friend from Tanzania who lives here, West Indian friend since I was 17, German mother in law (now deceased), French, Belgian, Czech Republic, Spanish friends and that’s just off the top of my head as I’m dashing out. All here legally and working and paying taxes.

I dont understand why this is all not clearly understood already.

Feels like the "why did people vote Brexit, I dont understand and they dont say" conversation all over again.
That one took 6 years before it seemed to ease.

GrannyGravy13

Fallingstar there has and always will be criminality.

I would like to see the Home Office, Police and Customs & Excise crack down on the brazen prevalence of the money laundering premises. They are at last making some moves in this direction, but yet again they are hindered by the lack of staff.

This would be a step in the right direction to make the U.K. less attractive to foreign OCG’s

I agree.
Where there is criminality there should be the resources to crack down on it.
The trouble is the police force has been cut to the bone. We need more police to tackle the crimes you mention with the teeth to deal with it rather than just having to walk away.

Fallingstar there has and always will be criminality.

I would like to see the Home Office, Police and Customs & Excise crack down on the brazen prevalence of the money laundering premises. They are at last making some moves in this direction, but yet again they are hindered by the lack of staff.

This would be a step in the right direction to make the U.K. less attractive to foreign OCG’s

Criminal migrant gangs are nothing new. In the US there were and probably still is - the Mafia - usually Sicilian migrants, who trafficked sex workers and dealt in drugs and set up gambling cartels. And of course other white European migrants in the US committed genocide against the indigenous peoples.
There are examples the world over involving different migrant groups, and am not saying this excuses anything but it should put it in perspective and at least show that nobody is excluded when it comes to criminality abroad. White Brits included.

pably15

Cossy

pably15

Granny G ...spot on , if there are jobs here, there are plenty of our own unemployed. and why do the AS pay thousands to the gangs to get on a small dingy and enter this country illegally, when they could take the legal route?

What legal route? There is no legal route?

How do other people WITH PASSPORTS get into this ,and other countries, They don't use the gangs

How do people get into the uK with a passport? You can only enter the UK with a valid passport from their own country if they have the correct visa ( e.g. work or study) or digital travel permission for your nationality i.e purpose of travel.

That is, unless you are a British or Irish Citizen everyone must secure permission to travel before arriving at the UK border. EU citizens also must now have an ETA.

To get an asylum visa you must already be physically in the UK hence boat crossings as the UK does not make on line asylum visa applications possible. This is what needs to change to process asylum application without the need for small boat crossings..... They could largely be processed online from their own countries - so also extinguishing/reducing need for asylum hotels, HMOs etc and welfare benefits for the period of processing.

I agree with you grannygravy we might need skilled workers , but the school leavers of today including my grandson can't get a apprenticeship to learn any skill he must have rung hundreds of firms large and small most of them saying they can't afford an apprentice !!

Cossy

Sunshinegirls

Most arriving on boats are not being forced by evil traffikers, they are not rounded up and forced to come over on the boats they want to come they are economic migrants. I think mostly its the ones coming over in the boats that people have issue with and the perceived unfairness of it all. I'm certain I would hate it if an HMO was next to me full of young men. Governments have ignored their voters concerns and I can understand peoples frustration with it all.

Where is your source for this??

Why do you request a source, as if this is an academic subject? This is the lived preception of many people, particularly in the less well-off areas of the country,but by ignoring their concerns, and labelling them as 'far-right racists', is a major contributor to the current unrest ( and the apparent popularity of Reform/Restore) in my humble opinion

Cossy

pably15

Granny G ...spot on , if there are jobs here, there are plenty of our own unemployed. and why do the AS pay thousands to the gangs to get on a small dingy and enter this country illegally, when they could take the legal route?

What legal route? There is no legal route?

How do other people WITH PASSPORTS get into this ,and other countries, They don't use the gangs

GrannyGravy13

I do not hate migrants.

Our NHS, hospitality sector and research labs would be unsustainable without legal migrants.

I do have a problem with the 1,000’s of young men arriving here by illegal means.

I do have a problem with the people traffickers who assist their journeys, and the criminal gangs who ship young women (and men sometimes) here to work in the sex and drug industry. They are slaves!

I do have a problem with the Vape & Candy Shops , Barbers and Nail Bars who are nothing more than money laundering facilities for foreign OCG’s. Fortunately these are now being cracked down, and raided by Customs.

I do have a problem when some of these young men do not respect our laws and our women and girls.

I do have a problem with the home office and the length of time it takes to process asylum claims and return them to whence they came when their claims are rejected.

All the things you voice as concerns are completely understandable and legitimate and could be resolved.

Lemonjam that’s the biggest part of the entire issue.

People are forced to arrive this way, not by the traffikers (though they quite awful people), but by the system,

The only way, by law, to claim Asylum, is by having your feet firmly on our land. That’s why the ways in which arrive are illegal but once they do arrive and subsequently make a claim to Asylum they are actually here quite legitimately.

It’s then up to the Home office to process their claims and make a decision as to whether they meet the requirements or not.

Sunshinegirls

Most arriving on boats are not being forced by evil traffikers, they are not rounded up and forced to come over on the boats they want to come they are economic migrants. I think mostly its the ones coming over in the boats that people have issue with and the perceived unfairness of it all. I'm certain I would hate it if an HMO was next to me full of young men. Governments have ignored their voters concerns and I can understand peoples frustration with it all.

Where is your source for this??

pably15

Granny G ...spot on , if there are jobs here, there are plenty of our own unemployed. and why do the AS pay thousands to the gangs to get on a small dingy and enter this country illegally, when they could take the legal route?

What legal route? There is no legal route?

Flippin2

What does this country have to offer that makes these people pay the traffickers?we have housing shortages,places in schools, problems with the NHS..it's not the land of milk and honey
Applying for a job here means proving you have the right to work, usually by passport, driving licence etc,these aren't, seemingly, available to those who enter illegally and it is illegally before I'm corrected

From my small interaction through previous work there are things which attract AS to our country.

Firstly there is work, despite our high unemployment there is work, in order to work they will have home office paperwork to prove they can legally work, secondly there’s often a connection through family, and thirdly, whilst we often don’t appreciate our standard of living it’s immeasurably higher than that in many of the countries from which they come. English is often a second language, and finally many AS don’t come here, they’ve placed AS claims in many other countries.

www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics

As I say on every Thread, speed up the process. Employ and train more of our young to do a valuable job.
Agree with you GG about the vape stores
Someone must be giving them a licence to open shop.
Someone must be giving them the keys to the premises.

Granny G ...spot on , if there are jobs here, there are plenty of our own unemployed. and why do the AS pay thousands to the gangs to get on a small dingy and enter this country illegally, when they could take the legal route?

Most arriving on boats are not being forced by evil traffikers, they are not rounded up and forced to come over on the boats they want to come they are economic migrants. I think mostly its the ones coming over in the boats that people have issue with and the perceived unfairness of it all. I'm certain I would hate it if an HMO was next to me full of young men. Governments have ignored their voters concerns and I can understand peoples frustration with it all.

It seems to be an issue in South Africa. Nigeria and other African countries are arranging return of their nationals from SA due to anti-immigrant feeling.

The Aborigines actually never lived where we live, ever , because the land was inhospitable and nothing grew here and there weren’t many animals. Fact. If you travel many thousands of kms north of here there are still many tribes because the land is better and it is traditional land. I am not arguing anymore because it is ridiculous the assumptions being made. Look at the way you treat your own indigenous population.

BlueBelle we have a Vape and Candy shop a two minute walk away, in my road, it opened three weeks ago.

It is between two primary schools, and by the bus stop which the local senior school children get off at to get to school.

They have put chairs outside, there are now groups of swarthy (not sure of their ethnicity, or how to describe them without being deleted) men hanging around outside from dawn to dusk.

They cat call obscene remarks to the school girls and young mums.

I have contacted our local councillor, as have many others, who has said the councils hands are tied . The police have been informed.

In the meantime we have to wait and walk past these thugs on a daily basis 😡😡😡

Shinamae

Some of you know I work part-time in a high dementia care home, the majority of staff there are now Indian because not many English want to do this type of work for minimum wage
I didn’t realise how many thousands of pounds these people have to pay to even get to this country and then if they want citizenship I have been told it’s £4000 for each person so if you’ve got three children that makes five of you so that’s £20,000
I think the state the country is at the moment they should be paying them to come here!!
People coming on small boats via the people traffickers are an entirely different kettle of fish

You highlight the positive contribution many immigrants are making to the UK by way of delivering health care support work and their financial payments to process their immigration process and then subsequent citizenship applications.

If only the UK could put in place appropriate asylum seeker application processes to eradicate the need for small boat crossings and diverting their payments to people traffickers. The only way claim asylum is by being physically in the UK and declare asylum intention at port of arrival or if already in the country through the Asylum Intake Unit.

Yes. There is a huge difference between formal immigrants who have gone through all the right channels to live and work here and those boatloads of young men. I remember reading on here about how intimidating and unpleasant a Gran felt in what used to be a familiar neighbourhood. I think she was in a south coast town. I know there are other towns and cities throughout the country where there are definite areas that feel like ghettos. I remember a work trip to a northern town and finding parts of it to feel almost alien. I could go on. My main point is that there are migrants and migrants. They are not allowed the same and some are more welcome than others.

Some of you know I work part-time in a high dementia care home, the majority of staff there are now Indian because not many English want to do this type of work for minimum wage
I didn’t realise how many thousands of pounds these people have to pay to even get to this country and then if they want citizenship I have been told it’s £4000 for each person so if you’ve got three children that makes five of you so that’s £20,000
I think the state the country is at the moment they should be paying them to come here!!
People coming on small boats via the people traffickers are an entirely different kettle of fish

Primrose53

OK, I’ll bite because clearly you are expecting some to disagree.

Firstly, I think “hate” is the wrong word.

Secondly, I have never met a person yet who does not mind at all the people who come here legally, with qualifications to get a good job and work and pay their taxes. They support themselves and we admire their skills and their work ethic. We have welcomed them for decades.

However, many countries are completely fed up now with asylum seekers/illegal immigrants, irregular immigrants (call them what you will) getting into their homelands with no means of supporting themselves and becoming a drain on their own country.

You mention Brits who move to other countries. Entirely different because they support themselves and don’t cost their host countries anything.

I have a friend from Tanzania who lives here, West Indian friend since I was 17, German mother in law (now deceased), French, Belgian, Czech Republic, Spanish friends and that’s just off the top of my head as I’m dashing out. All here legally and working and paying taxes.

Well said👏👏👏👏👏👏

Brits have got nothing to be proud of at all I agree Nanna8 but don’t you see the the sadness of your comment about aborigines being less than 1%of your areas population and your further comment of you don’t see them around here much…. is all part of the whole problem !!!
It’s their land 🙄

On the whole GrannyGravy I agree about the vape shops cheap ciggies under the counter shops etc , except don’t you realise that if it wasn’t for all the native English people buying the knock off cigs they wouldn’t be able to run this under the counter business…..
It’s a laughable situation

What does this country have to offer that makes these people pay the traffickers?we have housing shortages,places in schools, problems with the NHS..it's not the land of milk and honey
Applying for a job here means proving you have the right to work, usually by passport, driving licence etc,these aren't, seemingly, available to those who enter illegally and it is illegally before I'm corrected