Migrants Hated everywhere??

Chocolatelovinggran

Dorisdar, my small town ( fewer than 30,000 residents) is having a former student block made into an HMO with 68 units - effectively studios.
These are not intended for people awaiting decisions on their immigration status. There is a real shortage of accommodation for single people to rent locally. It's a seaside town, and the rise of the Airb&b has exacerbated the problem.

My leafy town is smaller than that and we currently have 500 Ukrainians. A neighbouring even smaller town has accommodation for asylum seekers (not sure how many), who sometimes come into town.

Upthread it was said that police can't be as effective, because they have been cut to the bone.
Did this gutting happen under Starmer?

I don't think people hate migrants everywhere.
I do think people distrust them.

And that is often to do with a stigma of the poor, imo. So, in Italy say, many migrants today are similar to those of the early 19th century, and in France, Victor Hugo’s misérables were described in a similar way.

Everywhere there is a tendency, rightly or wrongly, to fear those who arrive on one's shores most deprived, but it often has little to do with their cultural identity, imo.

My father fought all through WW2, just 18 when he joined up, one of hundreds of thousands, fighting for a free and safe UK. He was an Airforce man and long serving, he came out and joined the police force, if he was here now he would say “what was it all for” the country is going down the plug hole, thanks to a very weak government and previous ones, too frightened to do and say what is necessary. Trying to stick a plaster over a fatal wound. We don't hate migrants, we just want people who will love this country and work for it, not bleed us dry, don't even bother most of them to learn the language and what about all the illegal money laundering. This could all be stopped but i just think its easier for them to leave it, just make wet promises they don’t keep, that's why there is resentment nothing to do with not liking migrants.

AGAA4

Why would anyone think the multi-millionaire Farage gives a jot for the people of this country. Look how much time he has invested in Clacton. None.
Reform's 'policies' are so much hot air they have no chance of sorting out the illegal immigrant situation or anything else. Farage doesn't like work. He just enjoys talking and the rest of Reform are either incompetent or extreme in their views.

Indeed. Farage is a self-serving no-one. He cares solely about himself.

He shouts loudly about what he sees as being wrong, but has no concept whatsoever as to how he might change things. In the meantime he is sowing the seeds of hatred and division.

Aveline

I suspect Reform voters aren't thinking about the details foxie48, they just feel ignored and left out and want their concerns to be listened to not fobbed off.

But I do not think anyone is being fobbed off. Governments across Europe are grappling with the problem of people traffickers, who generate the problem. The solution is neither simple nor speedy as the ethos of Europe is to stay within the law and the human decency.

The "something must be done" brigade are not looking at the subtleties and the complexity.

We need politicians with longterm vision not just looking at the next GE. And we need governments who are not scared of challenging the status quo and saying this country needs radical changes.

I agree absolutely, but .....
- having long term vision does not work in a media-led society where politicians are vilified if they happen to have left their magic wand at home and are unable to change the world overnight - the media will not think long term nor allow governments to - they just give a government 5 minutes, then pounce and spread dissent.

My disappointment in this government is that they have vision but have not put that into action - I want to see them do something more radical - tax and spend to boost the economy and our services and infrastructure. Their approach has been too timid and they keep falling back on the grocer's daughter's domestic budgets fallacies.

The people who are fed up Luckygirl13 are the ones being told they are racist or unkind if they complain about scary groups of men men outside shops and hostels and multiple occupancy houses. Not necessarily deep thinkers or thinking in detail about government policy implications. Quite knee jerk responses really.

I can understand their concerns - the unknown can be scary.

My gripe is with those in the public eye who encourage knee jerk responses for their own ends. The long term effects on politics can only be bad. If the electorate are encouraged to think simplistically, no government will ever cut the mustard and we will stay on this roller-coaster.

I live in a nice area.

The new (three week old) Vape & Candy shop is a haven for groups of foreign men. Cat calling young women and female children.

I am 100% sure none of you would like this in your road, a two minute walk from your GC schools…

Allsorts

My father fought all through WW2, just 18 when he joined up, one of hundreds of thousands, fighting for a free and safe UK. He was an Airforce man and long serving, he came out and joined the police force, if he was here now he would say “what was it all for” the country is going down the plug hole, thanks to a very weak government and previous ones, too frightened to do and say what is necessary. Trying to stick a plaster over a fatal wound. We don't hate migrants, we just want people who will love this country and work for it, not bleed us dry, don't even bother most of them to learn the language and what about all the illegal money laundering. This could all be stopped but i just think its easier for them to leave it, just make wet promises they don’t keep, that's why there is resentment nothing to do with not liking migrants.

Well said Allsorts. 👏👏

I saw the very nasty reply to your post this morning and am pleased to say it has been removed.

Gran22boys

Agree. Great post Allsorts.

Me too…..

LemonJam

GrannyGravy13

The BBC had an item this week whereby they stated that there was disproportionately regarding violent and sex crimes committed by migrants/asylum seekers from Afghanistan, Sudan and a couple of other countries.

I didn’t catch the entire item, but snippets of it were replayed on BBC Newswatch this morning as there were complaints regarding these facts being reported…

Luckygirl9.27 and butterjam 00.16 - you both raise some excellent context. People are people wherever they come from. The UK has a long history of invading other countries and behaving badly.

GG13- White British individuals commit the vast majority of crimes in the UK simply due to making up the largest share of the population, and government data does not track offending rates by asylum or immigration status.

The relationship between migration, ethnicity, and crime is complex, with key points outlined below:

Data Limitations by Immigration Status: The Ministry of Justice (via the ONS FOI on Crime by Nationality) confirms it does not record offences by immigration status. Therefore, it is statistically impossible to directly compare asylum seekers and recent immigrants to White British citizens.

Arrest and Conviction Demographics: According to the Home Office Statistics on Ethnicity and the Criminal Justice System, White individuals accounted for roughly 79% of all arrests in England and Wales, broadly in line with their share of the general population.

Foreign National Prison Population: Foreign nationals (which groups together recent arrivals, long-term settlers, students, and asylum seekers) make up about 12% of the prison population in England and Wales, which aligns with their rough proportion of the adult population.

Underlying Socioeconomic Factors: Academic consensus via the Migration Observatory at Oxford University highlights that age structure and socioeconomic factors—rather than immigration or ethnic background—drive criminality. Migrants are more likely to be young adults, who commit more crimes natively, but when adjusted for age, immigrants generally commit crimes at similar or lower rates than native-born populations .

The ONS also states that crime statistics are not generally recorded by nationality -so presumeably the 'white ethnic group' is not the same as White British. A quick glance in the local, twice weekly paper's Court reporting shows a disproportionate number of Baltic/ Eastern European names, especially for the more serious offences.

Jaberwok

People coming to this country legally are not the issue or the problem. It is true that we have, and do emigrate to other countries, but we do so legally. Many of us have relations who have done just that and are living happily elsewhere. What we don't do is turn up and enter the country of our choice illegally and therein lies the problem! I would say to Hilary Benn, live in Whitechapel or Tower Hamlets, or as described by Dorisdodar for lets say one month and then perhaps you might get a flavour of what people are actually upset about! But of course HB.is never going to, or anyone else like him; all are safe in their ivory towers, protected by status and wealth, inherited and otherwise, from the daily struggles of hospital appointments, decent schools, lack of public transport, high energy bills and so on. None of the above will EVER affect the great and the not so good! Don't do as I do, but do as I say is very much alive and well. No wonder people are angry!

Brilliant post…
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Allsorts

My father fought all through WW2, just 18 when he joined up, one of hundreds of thousands, fighting for a free and safe UK. He was an Airforce man and long serving, he came out and joined the police force, if he was here now he would say “what was it all for” the country is going down the plug hole, thanks to a very weak government and previous ones, too frightened to do and say what is necessary. Trying to stick a plaster over a fatal wound. We don't hate migrants, we just want people who will love this country and work for it, not bleed us dry, don't even bother most of them to learn the language and what about all the illegal money laundering. This could all be stopped but i just think its easier for them to leave it, just make wet promises they don’t keep, that's why there is resentment nothing to do with not liking migrants.

My father also fought in WW2. He signed up on his 18th birthday and was an RAF pilot. If he were now, he'd despair at the likes of Farage and would hate that the country has become so small-minded. He fought for a country where all would be welcome.

Allsorts

My father fought all through WW2, just 18 when he joined up, one of hundreds of thousands, fighting for a free and safe UK. He was an Airforce man and long serving, he came out and joined the police force, if he was here now he would say “what was it all for” the country is going down the plug hole, thanks to a very weak government and previous ones, too frightened to do and say what is necessary. Trying to stick a plaster over a fatal wound. We don't hate migrants, we just want people who will love this country and work for it, not bleed us dry, don't even bother most of them to learn the language and what about all the illegal money laundering. This could all be stopped but i just think its easier for them to leave it, just make wet promises they don’t keep, that's why there is resentment nothing to do with not liking migrants.

Thank you for answering my reasonable question from earlier, which was unfortunately deleted by somebody who obviously didn't understand it and reported it.

I don't understand the logic. People say that politicians don't live in places where there are problems caused by migrants. Farage doesn't either. I doubt very much if he struggles to pay his bills or put food on the table either. The only reason he's listened to people is that it's his way of "buying" their votes. One would have to be stone deaf not to hear what the populist is shouting. So he says "I hear you" but what is he going to do about it? He hasn't come up with any viable solutions to anything and his history suggests that he won't.

... thanks to a very weak government and previous ones, too frightened to do and say what is necessary.

Can you say which governments those were. Allsorts? Because for the past 45 years governments have been actively pursuing policies which destroyed secure jobs, cut public services and sold off most of our public utilities (at bargain prices) to anyone who who would buy them, British or foreign. It is known that Thatcher would have happily broken up and privatised the NHS, but, yes, she was too frightened to do so.

We had a brief respite for a decade with a Labour government, although they failed to do much to radically change things.

I'm not over happy with our current government but I can see from the very few 'policies' produced by Reform and Restore that they will do nothing to improve the mess that the country is in. They just make asylum seekers, and increasingly, perfectly legal migrants, the scapegoats for all that is wrong and stir up hatred and resentment. In power they would have no idea where to start...

Why would anyone believe that Farage, who consistently dodges any genuine duties in Clacton and prefers to swan off to Trump's USA, will change and become an exemplary PM?
He may 'hear' you, and your genuine problems.
What makes you think he will listen to you, and be just what you need?

17.49: dayvidg: "The ONS also states that crime statistics are not generally recorded by nationality -so presumeably the 'white ethnic group' is not the same as White British. A quick glance in the local, twice weekly paper's Court reporting shows a disproportionate number of Baltic/ Eastern European names, especially for the more serious offences".

The ONS does not record immigration status dayvidg nut nationality and ethnicity absolutely is captured and recorded by the Police and Courts, ie data is available of the nationality of everyone arrested, charged and convicted- data logged by booth police forces and the Ministry of Justice (MOJ).

MOJ reports containing detailed breakdown of convicted offenders by nationality as well as ethnicity you can easily find online- see "Statistics on Race.and the Criminal Justice System" through the ethnicity and figures service.

As previous stated: Home Office Statistics on Ethnicity and the Criminal Justice System, White individuals accounted for roughly 79% of all arrests in England and Wales, broadly in line with their share of the general population.

Foreign nationals (which groups together recent arrivals, long-term settlers, students, and asylum seekers) make up about 12% of the prison population in England and Wales, which aligns with their rough proportion of the adult population.

Unlike you Twaddle I listen to the voices of people and their genuine concerns instead of blindly following a certain path.Have you actually experienced what Grannygravy has?, I doubt it. The vape shop should be shut and stock confiscated, maybe then they might think on their disgusting sexist behaviour towards young girls. I wish you could live next door to it for a week and report back

GrannyGravy13

I live in a nice area.

The new (three week old) Vape & Candy shop is a haven for groups of foreign men. Cat calling young women and female children.

I am 100% sure none of you would like this in your road, a two minute walk from your GC schools…

I suggest you contact HMRC about the vape and candy shop. They're apparently having a crackdown on such shops.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

I live in a nice area.

The new (three week old) Vape & Candy shop is a haven for groups of foreign men. Cat calling young women and female children.

I am 100% sure none of you would like this in your road, a two minute walk from your GC schools…

I suggest you contact HMRC about the vape and candy shop. They're apparently having a crackdown on such shops.

We have done, and spoken to local councillor who lives in the same road.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

I live in a nice area.

The new (three week old) Vape & Candy shop is a haven for groups of foreign men. Cat calling young women and female children.

I am 100% sure none of you would like this in your road, a two minute walk from your GC schools…

I suggest you contact HMRC about the vape and candy shop. They're apparently having a crackdown on such shops.

We have done, and spoken to local councillor who lives in the same road.

Good. I hope it bears fruit. But, like all public services, HMRC is badly stretched. It may take a while.

Again, who gutted the Police Force, who could have dealt with this more quickly?
It wasn't Starmer, was it?