Belfast another appalling attack, we need to ask what is driving this.

TerriBull

Casdon

People may be just as appalled by a brutal murder by a white British person TerriBull, but how often does such a murder make the headlines of a Gransnet post and receive so many comments?

Sarah Everard, which admittedly was such an extreme case by its very nature and because by who her murderer was.

I think there was a thread about the recent murder of Ian Huntley in prison, some saying "good riddance" others expressing a certain amount of horror in spite of his crimes.

There was also a thread about the rape of the girl in Fordingbridge expressing anger at the non custodial sentence and the appalling nature of it.

I'm sure there have been others, but those are off the top of my head.

At times its almost like night following day knowing there will be a comment of "what about rapes/murders committed by white men? why aren't you mentioning those" Well yes! and there will be so many more because those men are predominate. That doesn't mitigate that there are people who have been given leave to stay here who are committing crimes of a violent and sexual nature to add to those already committed by the criminal element of our indigenous population and for whom we don't have enough prison places or mental health services to facilitate them.

I think there is an overwhelming feeling from the general public lets not add to their number.

There is no proportionality in the assignment of blame though TerriBull. None of us want to see anybody kill anybody else. The reality is that we have illegal migration, we always have had, and to a greater, or lesser extent we always will. It’s what happens when as a country you have more than other people do.

Yes, it is sad that Yaxkey-Lennon is able to misuse a national symbol in this way.

Kyle Clifford's murder of his ex-girlfriend, her sister and her mother made plenty of headlines at the time, because it reached a new low for vengeance..
Annabel Rook's murder by her partner made headlines, not front page, but that is because so many women are murdered by their partners, for threatening to leave them, after suffering repeated violence they have concealed from their families. Too common now to grab much attention.

And I am saddened when a photograph of a group of people holding the union flag is immediately assumed to be instigated by Tommy Robinson .

TerriBull

Casdon

People may be just as appalled by a brutal murder by a white British person TerriBull, but how often does such a murder make the headlines of a Gransnet post and receive so many comments?

Sarah Everard, which admittedly was such an extreme case by its very nature and because by who her murderer was.

I think there was a thread about the recent murder of Ian Huntley in prison, some saying "good riddance" others expressing a certain amount of horror in spite of his crimes.

There was also a thread about the rape of the girl in Fordingbridge expressing anger at the non custodial sentence and the appalling nature of it.

I'm sure there have been others, but those are off the top of my head.

At times its almost like night following day knowing there will be a comment of "what about rapes/murders committed by white men? why aren't you mentioning those" Well yes! and there will be so many more because those men are predominate. That doesn't mitigate that there are people who have been given leave to stay here who are committing crimes of a violent and sexual nature to add to those already committed by the criminal element of our indigenous population and for whom we don't have enough prison places or mental health services to facilitate them.

I think there is an overwhelming feeling from the general public lets not add to their number.

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Casdon

People may be just as appalled by a brutal murder by a white British person TerriBull, but how often does such a murder make the headlines of a Gransnet post and receive so many comments?

Sarah Everard, which admittedly was such an extreme case by its very nature and because by who her murderer was.

I think there was a thread about the recent murder of Ian Huntley in prison, some saying "good riddance" others expressing a certain amount of horror in spite of his crimes.

There was also a thread about the rape of the girl in Fordingbridge expressing anger at the non custodial sentence and the appalling nature of it.

I'm sure there have been others, but those are off the top of my head.

At times its almost like night following day knowing there will be a comment of "what about rapes/murders committed by white men? why aren't you mentioning those" Well yes! and there will be so many more because those men are predominate. That doesn't mitigate that there are people who have been given leave to stay here who are committing crimes of a violent and sexual nature to add to those already committed by the criminal element of our indigenous population and for whom we don't have enough prison places or mental health services to facilitate them.

I think there is an overwhelming feeling from the general public lets not add to their number.

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The hero who battered the knife man was named as Matt McKiernan. He and his friend had taken a short cut to a garage and came across the attack.

He should definitely be recognised for his bravery.

Did you actually spot a post, on this Thread, Primrose, in which GNs expressed sympathies for the alleged assailant?
You will have seen posts looking for reasons.
When you know and understand reasons, or when people in charge do so, then actions may be initiated to address any issues highlighted.
Once again, reasons are not excuses.
Looking for reasons has a purpose.

People may be just as appalled by a brutal murder by a white British person TerriBull, but how often does such a murder make the headlines of a Gransnet post and receive so many comments?

This poor man will be traumatised by this attack, his life will never be the same again.

I also feel for the people who witnessed this horrific incident. The man who came to his aid with a hurling stick should be recognised for his bravery with an award.

Maybe70, You are quite right I'm sure the rioters are waiting for the summons . In fact doesn't that show that these rioters must be signed up to a group or organisation who can contact them by Facebook.

Terribull. Great post!

We need to remember that the poor man who was very nearly beheaded has lost an eye and has other very serious injuries and his life will never be the same again. That is where my sympathies lie. I have none whatsoever for the alleged assailant who is an absolute monster.

People need to stop making excuses for him and concentrate on the poor victim.

TerriBull 👍

I’m sure GG is grateful to you for trying to explain to me what you think she meant to say to me when she asked me a question about what I’d responded to another poster. It’s starting to feel a bit odd.

may make

Possibly GG had in mind, a point I often feel on such threads, because this type of comment is mooted quite frequently "but you don't care about white crime, white perpetrators of rape/assaults?" Should it be a prerequisite therefore to state when commenting about a crime such as this, "I'd be just as appalled if this act were to have been committed by a white British person" Because I think it's fair to say most people would. Obviously it's clear to see there are thugs who may capital out of any such incident when a foreign national is involved and they wouldn't otherwise, but it's not fair to put that onus on to the general public who don't want riots but still express their horror at the magnitude of such a violent assault on our streets. . Again, I think most of us feel that rampaging around the streets with a lynch mob mentality is appalling particularly in the targeting of innocent people.

Having said that I think we should be free to express our horror and anger when any individual who wishes to come and live in our country for whatever reason break our laws in the most appalling way. I wouldn't expect other countries to put up with a Briton who did just that in their country.

GrannyGravy13

Tuliptree you posted :-

Just out of interest how do you expansion horrific murders/rapes/attacks by white people (mainly men)? Or don’t they count because it’s fine to be murdered/raped/attacked by white people

I wondered how you came to that conclusion, if it was something posted on this thread, I hadn’t noticed it and would like to read it for myself.

But, fair enough you do not want to answer…

That';s right - I don't. I was making a different point to a different poster.

Tuliptree you posted :-

Just out of interest how do you expansion horrific murders/rapes/attacks by white people (mainly men)? Or don’t they count because it’s fine to be murdered/raped/attacked by white people

I wondered how you came to that conclusion, if it was something posted on this thread, I hadn’t noticed it and would like to read it for myself.

But, fair enough you do not want to answer…

Maremia

Crackin' posts Fallingstar.

Thanks, appreciate that x

My deceased and beautiful ex did security work in Somalia when he left the army. He said he’d never seen such brutality in his life what Somalis do to other Somalis. Don’t forget about the FGM to their little girls as well. 🥲🥲

GrannyGravy13

Tuliptree can you please point out where it has been said white criminal activity is ok on this thread.

I gave posted that we have enough of our home grown criminals without the need for allowing more from outside our borders. That applies to all nationalities by the way.

My post was in the context of the post I quoted. I don't recognise the point you are making so I'll gracefully decline to answer your question.

Susieq62

Update , the attacker was from Sudan ! The resulting violence, anarchy, intimidation in Belfast is frightening for everybody! Indiscriminate burning of buses, cars, homes all fuelled by thugs ! I despair! I really do !

Absolutely. It’s as if the perpetrators are just waiting for an excuse to do as much damage as possible.

Update , the attacker was from Sudan ! The resulting violence, anarchy, intimidation in Belfast is frightening for everybody! Indiscriminate burning of buses, cars, homes all fuelled by thugs ! I despair! I really do !

Tuliptree can you please point out where it has been said white criminal activity is ok on this thread.

I gave posted that we have enough of our home grown criminals without the need for allowing more from outside our borders. That applies to all nationalities by the way.