Belfast another appalling attack, we need to ask what is driving this.

Ilovecheese

I agree Fallingstar people seem to talk about the things they say they are not allowed to talk about rather loudly now.

I think people have been talking loudly about things they're 'not allowed to say' for quite some time. I recall people saying that they're 'not allowed to call it Christmas any more' and 'we're not allowed to call it black coffee' many years ago.

I agree Fallingstar people seem to talk about the things they say they are not allowed to talk about rather loudly now.

@WithNobsOnIt

‘ He discussed many of the issues that people may think about but are just not brave enough to talk through.’

I doubt it is difficult to discuss the issues you refer to, perhaps a decade or so ago it would have been thought inflammatory but today it seems anything goes. Indeed I have yet to see anyone who insists they can’t discuss immigration/asylum seekers in a way that could be construed as hostile or racist actually keep quiet about it. Today it is not only acceptable but mainstream politics.

Newcultureforum is a Tufton Street based organisation, which tells me quite a lot about it's politics. It's recently hosted and promoted talks by Matt Goodwin and has an evening with Harrison Pitt (Restore Britain) coming up in September. It's a "no" from me then.

Further to my last post. I forgot to mention a really interesting podcast on YouTube by Rafe Heydel - Mankoo.

It is about Immigration and the Division of Society on the UK today.
With why diversity and other factors have just not worked And what was the Agenda behind this and other related issues

It is called The Sickening Lies of Britain

It originates from the the NewCultureForum

Whether you like the presenter or not. I think he has some really important things to say about how and why we have got to this point. He also seems well informed and highly intelligent.

He discussed many of the issues that people may think about but are just not brave enough to talk through.

GrannyGravy13

LtEve you do know the man laying in hospital was deaf and classed as vulnerable…

Many drug dealers are classed as vulnerable. It’s how they get sucked into that awful world.

The Daily Mail reported that in 2001 the victim was very badly injured - set on fire - and he returned to Belfast from Scotland. Drug trafficking with 14 year prison sentences for one man. Odd.

LtEve you do know the man laying in hospital was deaf and classed as vulnerable…

I was talking to two people with very close connections to the security services last night. They said both parties were alleged drug dealers and the attack resulted from a disagreement between rivals. Neither were particularly ‘politically correct’ individuals so I have no reason to suspect they are not telling the truth and we were not in a public place so they could be more forthright than in public.
Obviously this does not mean he deserved to be attacked but vicious attacks between rivals are not uncommon in NI, with or without adding drugs into the mix, much of which does not get reported for various reasons including the regions troubled history.

I forgot to add for Sharon 103.
I am sure I am saying this for all, we are with you as obviously the poor lad’s life will now not be the same. Before I read about his wounds I realised he is the same age as my youngest son. What he needs now is a lot of love, care and understanding which I am sure he will get

The other day, before this happened, therep was an article in the Daily Express mentioning how easy it is to enter the UK for those who have already been convicted with a photo of a chap who mentioned this to the media.

Primrose53

OK, the REASON he did this is because he is an evil monster who chose to attack a vulnerable man.

Stephen is now in an induced coma. He is deaf and has now lost his sight and his nose. His throat is slit, he has a slashed shoulder and a puncture wound to his rib cage.

Yes. Agreed.

I think it needs to be said that the vast majority of people suffering severe mental illness are not violent and never will be. The danger is that those with mental illness like schizophrenia become pariahs in society.

I think the Open Borders/Free Movement on the so called Island if Ireland have also contribute to this incident.

Where there are no checks on the the border between Northern Island and the Republic of Ireland.

You know the one that was decided under Blair in the Good Friday Agreement.

This Somali Man got a flight from Paris to Dublin. Then he went by coach from Dublin to Belfast. No worries.

That Open Border, Good Friday agreement is the real reason that the UK government with not question the ECHR. European Convention on Human Rights.

They don't want to because the Troubles may start again in Northern Island.

As for providing support for Asylum Seekers granted leave to remain with mental health problems. I think we have already have a massive backlog of people who cannot get help with Mental Health problems to clear first who already live here.

Don't you!

Gran22boys

Put the clock back 30 years and we wouldn’t be having these conversations because none of this was happening. We’ve taken our eye off the ball.

There were a number of major riots in the 1980s and 1990s though, also in areas of deprivation and high unemployment.

Put the clock back 30 years and we wouldn’t be having these conversations because none of this was happening. We’ve taken our eye off the ball.

In answer to a post upthread, yes , some politicians are out in their constituencies, trying to find safe refuge for families with children who have been burned out of their homes.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Uncontrolled immigration isn’t ’just a problem’ anymore. It’s front and centre of what bothers so many people. The infrastructure isn’t available to cope and for starters we are NOT a world health centre. All this is costing a King’s ransom. So … Those of us who feel their voices aren’t being listened to will vote accordingly at the next GE that’s for sure.

Agree.

I worked with a legal migrant who filled a serious skills shortage by his presence. He was told that any dip in his bank balance, any infringement of the law and he was gone. He had to wait 5 years and pay quite a lot of money out to earn his right to stay. He was scared to drive in case he inadvertently got caught for parking or speeding. So why is this not applied to the illegals too?

Some judges will add a deportation order to sentences, but many do not, and appeal seems easy on the grounds of having made a life here. Even those who have these can walk free out of court/prison and disappear, as do those who have been refuse asylum, because there is a disconnect with the police.

There is great difficulty in getting any background on refugees, especially given that their regimes would declare them criminals. The ongoing issues in Somalia/Somaliland bring people in. A discussion with a Somali, many of whom have French as a second language, was why they risked the crossing. His reply was about our "kindness" being legend across his homeland. He worked at a centre supporting new arrivals with language lessons, signposting to housing and services, access to computers and some basic education. This was closed down due to council cuts.

There IS support for mentally ill people, and it is considered a valid reason for not sending them home. I guess though, it is a good or bad as it is for the rest of us.

I thought West Lothian was in Scotland.
Yes JPB123 it was a unionist area, it would be very unusual for a loyalist to have a hurling stick.

Sort of. Henry Tudor had a Welsh father, but his mother was Lady Margaret Beaufort, who was an English noblewoman. Through her father, she was a direct descendant of King Edward III, which gave Henry his strong claim to the English throne - he wasn’t a Welsh usurper.

grumppa

I thought England's first colony was Wales!

Was it not the Welsh Prince Henry who took over England?

I thought the BBCsaid it was a Unionist area

I have just read the poor victim was assaulted in West Lothian, he was given GBH (date rape drug) assaulted then covered in after shave and torched.

To pick yourself up after that and then be attacked so cruelly is unbelievable.

Poor, poor man.

You can watch live on Sky News online, rioters throwing missiles at the police, and making fires. People have lost their sense of proportion despite the family’s wishes - again. The consequence will be dozens more court cases and idiots ending up in prison.