Belfast another appalling attack, we need to ask what is driving this.

Allsorts

Chestnut, most right minded people agree with you, no excuses and why some people try to find one is disgusting. I think perhaps jf they were affected opinions might alter,

I agree, I have long thought opinions would alter if personally affected.

Chestnut, most right minded people agree with you, no excuses and why some people try to find one is disgusting. I think perhaps jf they were affected opinions might alter,

Jane112, that situation is extremely concerning. Because it's not in the news it's easy to assume that all is calm.

jane112 Someone else who is saying that if a person has seen terrible things in their own country can be excused on that basis from randomly killing or maiming another person living peacefully and innocently in their country.

Chestnut

Marg75

So you have mental health problems because you have seen traumatic things in your life, it's acceptable to attack, kill or maim innocent people on the streets of their own towns and cities?

There seems to be a lot of posts on this thread giving excuses for what has happened. Seriously, is there any excuse for trying to behead a man on the street? I don't care what the reason, it is sickening and this person is dangerous.

It reminds me of the shock and horror we all felt at the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby on the street in 2013.

Yes Chestnut I thought exactly the same.

That too was tragic.

EVEOHA2602

According to our neighbour - an NHS psychiatrist - Qat induced psychosis is a contributory factor - 👍☘️

Yes that & blinking cannabis!
How the hell the greens want to legalise this stuff & other drugs is beyond me.
I don’t venture into our town centre as it stinks of weed. So now people are chewing on Qat, god help us!

All stabbings are abhorrent Chestnut. Nobody would deny that.

I think we have enough British born people with psychiatric problems, without shipping more people in with psychiatric problems!

Marg75

So you have mental health problems because you have seen traumatic things in your life, it's acceptable to attack, kill or maim innocent people on the streets of their own towns and cities?

There seems to be a lot of posts on this thread giving excuses for what has happened. Seriously, is there any excuse for trying to behead a man on the street? I don't care what the reason, it is sickening and this person is dangerous.

It reminds me of the shock and horror we all felt at the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby on the street in 2013.

Jane112 my husband, born and bred in Belfast commented today, ‘they never report on the almost daily maiming and killing.’

petra

EVEOHA2602

According to our neighbour - an NHS psychiatrist - Qat induced psychosis is a contributory factor - 👍☘️

Only this morning I had to avoid the spit from chewed qat on the pavement outside the post office.
It was one of the reasons my daughter moved from Leigh on sea. It was constantly outside her house and on her car.
She knew where it was coming from. She constantly asked the shop keeper where the culprits worked, nothing changed.

So qat must be another substance people chew and spit out.

I heard about paan which covers the streets of north west London apparently. A disgusting filthy mess which is very difficult to remove. I suppose chewing and spitting out all these drugs is something we have to accept because it's cultural and they are recovering from trauma.

Jaxjacky

The best comment I have read:
Northern Ireland knows well the danger of blaming an entire community for the deeds of an individual or small faction. In the hours, days and weeks ahead, we would ask people to bear that in mind."

Coming from NI I agree. Paramilitaries on both sides still thrive in NI controlling housing estates and making money from dug dealing,trafficking,prostitution,child pornograpy and running loan sharks. Because of the vicious actions of one person last night young men are being ordered by the paramilitaries to assemble throughout NI tonight, to dress in black and come prepared to fight and to be arrested. Domestic violence and the murder of women in NI, often by those known to them, is at an all time high but the paramilitaries don't seem to care about these brutal murders because they're carried out by white men from NI,they pretend to be 'protecting our children' but order young men to turn up by appointment to have their kneecaps shot to pieces, if they don't turn up they will be killed, the hypocrisy is appalling.

Granatlast007

If you look at the N Irish news there is a tad more detail, it appears that the attacker was Somali.

Somalia is a dangerous country that all Western nations warn their citizens not to visit. I remember hearing a Women's Hour programme once about trauma and how there is no mental health care for immigrants who may have suffered terrible things.

I only saw one mention of the background of the Stockport killer, his parents were from Rwanda which was the site of the terrible massacres of Tutsi people by Hutus in 1994 and I thought of what such a family/young boy must have seen.

Irish history itself is a story of colonial domination and the trouble it brings. There are never easy answers to these events and some answers are those that others would prefer not to consider. It's probably easier to do that if you've lived a life of relative comfort and safety.

The PSNI have confirmed that the attacker was Sudanese another country where people have suffered terribly for decades.

Thank you for that clarification, EVEOHA.

The law will now follow due course.
I’m concerned about the call for protests, of course by faceless people on social media, NI does not need this.

Maremia - My reference to ‘culturally accepted’ behaviours was with regard to qat usage and its concomitant affect on behaviour

Granatlast
It’s the couriers tgey get hooked. The cuckooing is is where they scare the life out of vulnerable adults with violence.

EVEOHA2602

According to our neighbour - an NHS psychiatrist - Qat induced psychosis is a contributory factor - 👍☘️

Only this morning I had to avoid the spit from chewed qat on the pavement outside the post office.
It was one of the reasons my daughter moved from Leigh on sea. It was constantly outside her house and on her car.
She knew where it was coming from. She constantly asked the shop keeper where the culprits worked, nothing changed.

Apologies Matza

Marg75

So you have mental health problems because you have seen traumatic things in your life, it's acceptable to attack, kill or maim innocent people on the streets of their own towns and cities?

I think dismissing people with mental health difficulties is just heartless and equivalent to what Kemi B is suggesting re pushing away equality and diversity laws to replace them with 'common sense'.

Absolutely, let's cane children, birch prisoners, bring back capital punishment, it's common sense isn't it?

More seriously, I'd never heard of 'Qat induced psychosis', maybe we need to consider the major drugs problem throughout the Western world. The BBC ran an article this morning about drugs gangs 'cuckooing', apparently the drug dealers get you hooked and then take over your flat and use it for drug dealing. Maybe we could ban all media links on GN and go back to peacefully mowing the lawn ... no mow May has gone after all. (Heavy irony here!)

So you have mental health problems because you have seen traumatic things in your life, it's acceptable to attack, kill or maim innocent people on the streets of their own towns and cities?

Just to clarify, if I may, as I see people referring to the "Stockport murders."

The girls were murdered in Southport not Stockport.

Many other girls and their dance teacher were seriously injured. My family members were involved, so forgive me for jumping to point this out as we still all live with the aftermath still.

Rudukabana was indeed born in Cardiff, the son of Rwandan parents who came to the UK around 2002 .

And this one from court two days ago, a restaurant owner in Canada, killed by British men.
news.sky.com/story/three-britons-plead-guilty-over-death-of-restaurant-owner-in-canada-13551554
It is all over the place if you look, it’s horrible.

Hers another one from today, a celeb, stabbed in London. Three have been arrested on suspicion of murder.
news.sky.com/story/singer-songwriter-to-the-stars-talay-riley-stabbed-to-death-in-london-13551852

EVEOHA2602

According to our neighbour - an NHS psychiatrist - Qat induced psychosis is a contributory factor - 👍☘️

That’s interesting, something that had never occurred to me.