Belfast another appalling attack, we need to ask what is driving this.

Wyllow3

But I suspect it is related to sectarianism, which is why I posed the question.

Most of the violence was in the Shankley Rd/Crumlin Rd area, which historically has been flashpoint area for sectarian violence. I know para-military groups still operate in NI, but no idea what the exact involvement was in the recent riot.

We have some NI posters, I think. Maybe they know more.

I know that Elon Musk and Tommy Robinson have been exhorting people to go to various meeting points round the country to protest. Robinson is currently in Moscow with Musk's father, so is organising the protests by remote control. He will, of course, claim he has nothing to do with the violence and destruction.

One man attempted the beheading in a street.
That man has been arrested and will face the consequences.
Meanwhile, a Pastor tells us that innocent black families, members of his church for almost 20 years, have been pulled from burning buildings, set alight by thugs, who did not witness the original assault, but have been stirred up by other malignant influences.

Casdon

The media has a lot to answer for I think, it’s not unreasonable to expect proportionality of reporting about stabbings. That poor woman who was killed at the hands of her abusive partner deserves as much attention as anybody else who dies, the method was the same.

Start a separate thread on that. It's not the same issue as an attempted beheading of a stranger on the street. You can discuss domestic murders, there are plenty of them to consider.

But I suspect it is related to sectarianism, which is why I posed the question.

nanna8

When we emigrated, many moons ago, we were told that if we broke the law we would be deported back to our country of birth. We accepted that, of course. Why doesn’t that apply here ?

Maybe it will. The case hasn't even come to trial.

When we emigrated, many moons ago, we were told that if we broke the law we would be deported back to our country of birth. We accepted that, of course. Why doesn’t that apply here ?

Wyllow3

*Glaxy I am suggesting that we have to understand all the strands involved on the events we are witnessing and I was alluding to one I do know about first hand, both the lady who came over after great violence and turned it to the good, and the patients who suffered from psychotic internalised racism.

They had turned the racism against themselves - others psychosis turn it outward. `it becomes just one of the factors we have to consider.

It never excuses violence, but if we fail to understand that particular strand we cannot deal with it. Just as the many examples of dreadful white violence that involve Mental Health issues have to be understood or we can never deal with them.

I think the O/P is just another whipping up of hatred and out come the anti immigration crew.

Because we have been given not just so many examples of events that had they had a racial element are headlines, and lead to riots because of the reporting,

But even reliable statistics showing that the % of this sort of violent crime is not higher amongst immigrants.

The Ministry of Justice does not record offences by immigration status.

Wyllow3

I've been trying to work out which area of Belfast, ie whether it was a Catholic area specifically under attack, by old enemies, or non specific. Can't find information yet.

The attack last night took place in a predominantly Catholic area of the City.

Before anyone leaps down my throat I am well aware this is not sectarian.

Incidents are a trigger, but are almost unrelated to protests though, no political solution other than an oppressive dictatorship would stop sporadic outbreaks of mass violence, it’s been happening for hundreds of years.

Well yes of course.
But I don't think saying the same things over and over again and hoping it will work is really a workable plan.
If peoples vote doesn't work ( and it hasn't time and time again) then they will protest. And involved in that will of course be some dangerous people.

It’s much easier to criticise what others are doing than it is to find any workable solutions - because all the options have inbuilt downsides.

Yes along with supporting misogyny I am now supporting violence. Obviously.

Galaxy

'Look at that over there' isn't going to work either. But on it will go.

By supporting it, you are just as much part of it. It's not about looking at anything over there.

I've been trying to work out which area of Belfast, ie whether it was a Catholic area specifically under attack, by old enemies, or non specific. Can't find information yet.

'Look at that over there' isn't going to work either. But on it will go.

Galaxy

Well yes as I predicted up thread.
Then diversity is our strength.
Social media controls.
Stronger together then divided.
I am sure it will be as successful as previously.

Why should we stop calling out those who foment violence just becuase we've "heard it before?

Quote form Belfast Live Facebook page by resident

"Where is the same level of outrage about violence against women, or domestic abuse, child abuse, acts committed by local people. I'd welcome this level of concern for all acts of violence... The ability of local people to spring into action for political gain absolutely astounds me. Let's just band together to support the police and all the victims of this crime"

Photos show the scene. Its quite obvious which group are behind yet another incident.

Well yes as I predicted up thread.
Then diversity is our strength.
Social media controls.
Stronger together then divided.
I am sure it will be as successful as previously.

from BBC I player an hour ago

"North Belfast MP, Sinn Féin's John Finucane said: "There is understandable disgust and revulsion at the horrific attempted murder that took place last night.
I share that revulsion.

But the scenes we are witnessing tonight, family homes attacked, cars burnt, damaged infrastructure and parts of our community in flames, are shameful and disgraceful

No one has the right to spread fear, terrorise innocent families or unleash lawless disorder on our streets

He says the focus "must remain on supporting the victim".

The actions of those who are destroying their own communities are totally unacceptable

"It is clear that the horrendous attack last night is being used to whip up fear, division and hatred. That must be called out."

Whipping up hatred. Oh God I give up.

Sago

Maremia

What answers have you found so far Sago?

I have learnt that Khat/Qat is a popular drug that can cause psychosis.

I have learnt that the people of Belfast are not taking this lying down.

I have learnt that many posters will not accept that we have a problem with violent immigrants on our streets.

And just how does that move anything forward?

I am absolutely disgusted by people who think escalating violence solves anything.

We are not like the balls on a Newton's Cradle, which always react when hit. We are rational human beings with brains and free will.

While Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk have been calling for protests in Belfast, Robinson and Musk's father have been meeting on Moscow. Quote from Robinson: “I’ve come to see how this country got itself so well on to the straight and narrow and see the beauty of a civilised society here.” It's a wonder he didn't want to fly Russian flags rather than Union Jacks!! Oh what a patriot!

I just do not understand how people can't see that they are being manipulated by some very malign players.

Sorry, Galaxy as in my first line.

*Glaxy I am suggesting that we have to understand all the strands involved on the events we are witnessing and I was alluding to one I do know about first hand, both the lady who came over after great violence and turned it to the good, and the patients who suffered from psychotic internalised racism.

They had turned the racism against themselves - others psychosis turn it outward. `it becomes just one of the factors we have to consider.

It never excuses violence, but if we fail to understand that particular strand we cannot deal with it. Just as the many examples of dreadful white violence that involve Mental Health issues have to be understood or we can never deal with them.

I think the O/P is just another whipping up of hatred and out come the anti immigration crew.

Because we have been given not just so many examples of events that had they had a racial element are headlines, and lead to riots because of the reporting,

But even reliable statistics showing that the % of this sort of violent crime is not higher amongst immigrants.

Maremia

What answers have you found so far Sago?

I have learnt that Khat/Qat is a popular drug that can cause psychosis.

I have learnt that the people of Belfast are not taking this lying down.

I have learnt that many posters will not accept that we have a problem with violent immigrants on our streets.