What needs to happen to stop violent protest on the streets of Southampton against the police and to stop agitators wrongly targeting police officers on line with death threats?

It's a general point about how reform supporters and actually now sometimes conservatives are described, when people are talking about 1945 in Germany what do you think they are implying.
Numerous crimes are politicised, I am afraid it is impossible to control which ones are politicised and which ones aren't.

Galaxy

It isn't addressed to you twaddle.

Who is it addressed to, then?

No-one is calling people far right and nazis on this thread (or perhaps I haven't read it thoroughly enough?)

You do tend come out with this statement every time violent demonstrations or similar are discussed, often with no justification.

I've reread all the posts on this thread. No mention anywhere of 'far right' or 'nazis'. Just named individuals and reference to the 'protestors'.

It isn't addressed to you twaddle.

Allsorts

Do not agree with violence, never thought I would ever say this but agree with Farage. Things are out of hand now. How could anyone leave that boy dying treating him like a criminal. Violence is not what his family wanted and those protests should not have happened but things must change.

What do you agree with him about?

The police officers made a huge mistake, which is being investigated. That is not a reason for massive societal change.

Galaxy

I can tell what won't help, calling everyone far right and nazi but thats never stopped people, they will then wander around bewildered when reform win the next election.

If that's addressed to me, I'm not calling everybody far right and Nazi, although people who see themselves as victims sometimes claim it.

My interest is social and political history and observing how people behave. If you look, I'm sure you'll see the same patterns emerging.

I don't need to call anybody names.

I can tell what won't help, calling everyone far right and nazi but thats never stopped people, they will then wander around bewildered when reform win the next election.

Do not agree with violence, never thought I would ever say this but agree with Farage. Things are out of hand now. How could anyone leave that boy dying treating him like a criminal. Violence is not what his family wanted and those protests should not have happened but things must change.

butterandjam

Jaxjacky

I don’t think there is anything that can be said Lemonjam, actions speak louder.
If anyone had the balls to prosecute the likes of Farage and Robinson, that might; it’s highly unlikely to happen.
The rent a mob who turn up to any chance of a scrap really don’t care about words.

It's not a matter of balls.

TR has been prosecuted;he served five prison terms. His convictions include assault,threats, harassment,fraud, and contempt of court.

And each time he and his supporters have somehow portrayed him as a victim of the big, bad state. Somehow or other, people need to have a more positive relationship with the state and mature enough to see what it would be like without the state. That's what happened in 1945 in Germany. The Allies showed Germans in grim detail what they had themselves voted for. When the new post-was curriculum was written, every single schoolchild was taught the relevance of the state to civil society and the part they themselves played in shaping it.

Jaxjacky

So, is there no point to the law twaddle?

I truly believe there is, but it's evident that the law is one of the main targets for people who wish to destroy society. The law is the last defence against anarchy and chaos. It's my belief that any society without a functioning legal system is doomed. That's why (in my opinion) anybody involved in the law needs to be held to the highest standards and why (IMO) anybody abusing the trust which has been placed in them needs to be punished severely. It works both ways.

Farage and Robinson are meddlers who couldn't organise the proverbial p*ss up, if they were given real responsibility. They enjoy criticising the "establishment" for fun and because they can.

Jaxjacky

I don’t think there is anything that can be said Lemonjam, actions speak louder.
If anyone had the balls to prosecute the likes of Farage and Robinson, that might; it’s highly unlikely to happen.
The rent a mob who turn up to any chance of a scrap really don’t care about words.

It's not a matter of balls.

TR has been prosecuted;he served five prison terms. His convictions include assault,threats, harassment,fraud, and contempt of court.

I wish someone would m make a police complaint against Farage, TR et al. Maybe politicians are scared to do so as would stir up their voter antagonism? I despair.

So, is there no point to the law twaddle?

Another problem is that some people will react with violence even when the injured parties- here Henry’s family, have asked for his death not to be used to incite further harm.
Whether the cause is just, or whether it will improve anything, the violence just escalates.

Jaxjacky

I don’t think there is anything that can be said Lemonjam, actions speak louder.
If anyone had the balls to prosecute the likes of Farage and Robinson, that might; it’s highly unlikely to happen.
The rent a mob who turn up to any chance of a scrap really don’t care about words.

If either of them were to be prosecuted, their PR machines (backed by Musk's money) would make them out to be the victims.

I jus wish all the commentators stirring the pot with mis information would just stop.

Rees Mogg was defeated as a Conservative MP at the last GE. His GB News Moggologue is currently circulating on line continuing to whip up tension and division. He stated that police are not allowed to handcuff people who are not resisting arrest. He is wrong.

Posters and viewers are incorrectly believing this as fact and this increases antagonism against the police which has led to these violent protests. The police did make a mistake by believing Digwa and have apologised- the IOPC has yet to complete its investigation and rule on specific concerns. Responsible politicians simply would wait for the investigations outcome not stoke up public antagonism against the police. Starmer, Bedenoch and Dvaey can manage that why not Farage, Mogg et al?

Think about Mogg’s false statement logically- it would mean as long as anyone simply does not resist arrest they will not be handcuffed. They could escape, they could destroy evidence, if not handcuffed. If the police have a reasonable suspicion a person has been involved in an offence they can legitimately handcuff.

Mogg also said a person is treated as innocent in the eyes of the law and these 2 police officers treated Henry as guilty and Digwa as innocent. Another misnomer. Police officers do not determine guilt or innocence, they arrive on a scene to assess the situation, protect the public and most importantly preserve evidence for a police investigation. Only a court of law determines guilt or innocence.

Yet again Mogg is stoking public anger against the police and one woman actually quoted him in the video of the violent protest. This antagonism against the police played out in violent protest, does not help Southampton residents, and does not help Henry’s family who have expressly asked politicians not to do this.

The 2 officers in the first tragic few minutes on the scene did wrongly believe their call out information and Digwa as we can see in the slightly over 2 minutes body cam footage. But once the female officer started to more closely examine Henry they saw he was stabbed and then realised Digwa had been lying.

The information these 2 officers had as they travelled to the scene was from the control room as a result of Digwa's brother making a 999 call. He reported Henry had racially assaulted Digwa.

I despair when Mogg and others make such ill informed statements in order to undermine the police.

Mogg also said Henry was treated appallingly because he was white. He has no evidence of this- he is whipping up racial tension. The judges sentencing remarks undermined Mogg’s comments and the judge has seen the full evidence. The IPOC also has yet to rule. The police have apologised for believing the information they were given by the control room, as informed by Digwa's brother and believing Digwa briefly.

Tragic all round.

I don’t think there is anything that can be said Lemonjam, actions speak louder.
If anyone had the balls to prosecute the likes of Farage and Robinson, that might; it’s highly unlikely to happen.
The rent a mob who turn up to any chance of a scrap really don’t care about words.

Davey offered to work with the government to review the legal exemptions for carrying knives. Carrying a knife as an offensive weapon of course is illegal and a common reason for arrest.

Exemptions- currently carrying a knife for work, as part of a national costume or for religious reasons are all listed as potential lawful defences under section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988. The Offensive weapons Act 2029 further protects the rights of Sikhs to possess and supply kirpans- a ceremonial sword or dagger that is one of religion's five articles of faith.

Knife crime is prolific but the use of kirpans of Sikh blades is rare- Digwa was an outlier with tragic consequences.

It was appalling! Southampton is only about 20 miles away from me and I can't believe the folk from there would come to this.
I hear lots of these protesters where shipped in, it's not helping the situation with Farage comments, he is out of order stirring this up, let's hope it doesn't escalate.

I have met the Hampshire Police Commissioner a few times and she's not one to take these comments lightly, very pro active, rolls her sleeves up woman.

My thoughts go to Henry's family, how must they feel with all this extra grief going on

LemonJam

TR can be clearly seen and heard in the video.

Yes, he can - and I think I already posted the Facebook request from him for the names of the police officers involved. It appears he was given the wrong information and two people have been hounded out of their homes by his vigilante action. One of them wasn't even a serving officer at the time.

Maybe Farage and Tommy Robinson should be forced to do a couple of police officer shifts.

TR can be clearly seen and heard in the video.

You're not the first to suggest that Luckygirl after Farage's performance today in PMQs.

Under the England and Wales Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006, it is in fact illegal to incite violence. The Act was enforced in the summer 2024 violent protests- CCTV footage often presented as evidence in court of protesters on online posts for agitators. The maximum sentence for riot is 10 years which reduced to 5 years for violent disorder. The level of sentence will depend on a number of criteria - and whether the role was as an instigator or the level of participation.

I was pleased to hear Starmer thank Badenoch and Ed Davey in PMQ for their responses, ie to condemn the violent protest, particularly as the family had asked. for politicians not to use the murder of their son to create division and hatred.

And Farage will be patting himself on the back as he says job done.

Farage and others need to be prosecuted for inciting violence maybe?