Raise the Colours founder charged with murder...

MayBee70 Partly. Who in their right mind wouldn't be?! So many ridiculous legal cases where criminals get a slap on the wrist for awful crimes and yet anyone saying hurty words against violent immigrants gets a visit from the police. It's crazy. Left-wing lunacy.

Peaseblossom be careful you will burst a blood vessel with your rant!
You do realise don’t you that most rapes and assaults are by white British men ?
Flying the flag by the odious Raise the Flag group is definitely unacceptable! I really despair at people being sucked into their way of working! 🤬

Peaseblossom

Bullsh*t. Just because people want to fly our flag to be patriotic doesn't mean they are violent or far right! They are objecting to being flooded with illegal immigrants, many of whom have committed assault and rape on women and young girls and stand outside schools and watching children in parks. Are you are blind and deaf? People are scared to go out where there are hotels full of illegal immigrants. We are paying for the privilege at a cost of: Asylum Hotels: According to data from the BBC, the UK spent an average of £5.77 million per day on asylum hotel accommodation. This was down from a peak of approximately £8 million per day due to government efforts to maximize room sharing and shift individuals to cheaper housing options.Long-Term Contracts: Managing asylum housing is outsourced to private providers like Serco, Mears, and Clearsprings. A National Audit Office report revealed that these overall asylum accommodation contracts are projected to cost £15.3 billion over ten years.

So you are admitting that the flags are down to being anti immigrant?

Bullsh*t. Just because people want to fly our flag to be patriotic doesn't mean they are violent or far right! They are objecting to being flooded with illegal immigrants, many of whom have committed assault and rape on women and young girls and stand outside schools and watching children in parks. Are you are blind and deaf? People are scared to go out where there are hotels full of illegal immigrants. We are paying for the privilege at a cost of: Asylum Hotels: According to data from the BBC, the UK spent an average of £5.77 million per day on asylum hotel accommodation. This was down from a peak of approximately £8 million per day due to government efforts to maximize room sharing and shift individuals to cheaper housing options.Long-Term Contracts: Managing asylum housing is outsourced to private providers like Serco, Mears, and Clearsprings. A National Audit Office report revealed that these overall asylum accommodation contracts are projected to cost £15.3 billion over ten years.

The organisers of Raise the colours are former members of the English defence league, a banned organisation who have highjacked the English flag. Disgusting lot who spread hate and division.

Who are they 'fighting' for?
Be counted as what?

nanna8

What a strange name , raise the colours. Harks back to the eighteenth century when people rode out on their horses to battle. Very odd.

I think that what it is still meant to mean in a modern sense for men any maybe women

You know, for men. Go into battle about a National Cause.

Step up to the plate. Stand up and be counted etc.

the A5 not the A1. TR lives loser to the A1..

Maybee, I don't know where you live but you've mentioned your son in Staffordshire and I've driven down the A1 near there and it is full of dirty flags flying along the road. Maybe other people haven't experienced this

I remember finding out that Princess Diana was going to be driven past the end of our road and me and the kids hastily making a Union Jack flag to wave at her. So, not only am I patriotic but I’m a royalist too. And I love bunting; there’s something about bunting that makes me feel happy. I do resent being told that by disliking those scruffy flags I’m not patriotic in some way.

I apologise if this has been mentioned before up thread and I missed it when I scan read.

I think what we have here is a British version of MAGA. Brainless behaviour and hooliganism thinly disguised as patriotism. Nationalism in its vilest form.

Yes, using this country's flag to symbolise Raise the Colour's agenda is offensive.

Meandrogrog

MayBee70

Kandinsky

I live in a fairly middle class, ethnically diverse area ( libdem council ) Reform have never done well here.
However……England flags are flying all along our high street and have been for ages. I don’t know who put them up but as I say, they’ve been here for months.
No one is bothered in the slightest.
Flying the England flag seems to really bother some people, whereas in reality no one cares or are happy with them.

How do you know that people aren’t bothered by the flags? Unfortunately my main local supermarket is in a flag flying area. If I could go to one without them I would. And I loathe having to drive past them to visit my son.

Its really sad you feel that way about our lovely flag. 😢

It is my flag and I am proud of it. Which is why I don’t like to see wet bedraggled flags ( made in China) flying on lampposts having been put there by people that could spend their time helping their community in a more productive way.

MayBee70

Kandinsky

I live in a fairly middle class, ethnically diverse area ( libdem council ) Reform have never done well here.
However……England flags are flying all along our high street and have been for ages. I don’t know who put them up but as I say, they’ve been here for months.
No one is bothered in the slightest.
Flying the England flag seems to really bother some people, whereas in reality no one cares or are happy with them.

How do you know that people aren’t bothered by the flags? Unfortunately my main local supermarket is in a flag flying area. If I could go to one without them I would. And I loathe having to drive past them to visit my son.

Its really sad you feel that way about our lovely flag. 😢

twaddle

gwyneth28

Don't you think that it's our present circumstances that has brought such political parties to the fore front, I can see why people feel threatened by the so called boat people etc, that feel its their right to come here for an easy life of benefits and not contribute to the British society and in some instances don't even learn to speak our language.
What about the largely South Asian men plying our children with alcohol and drugs so that they can be passed around and repeatedly raped, I do not condone violence at all, there is ways and means to deal with these problems but enough is enough !!

Of course scenarios like the ones you mention have been exploited by people with a racist agenda. Certain people have been scapegoated and efforts made to put the fear of God in some people. That's what has happened throughout history.

It's always "I don't ..." "but ...". Presumably what is meant is that in the current situation, you do actually condone violence.

You seem to have racism on the brain! Why has this scenario been exploited by people with a racist agenda? In what way?

Kandinsky

I live in a fairly middle class, ethnically diverse area ( libdem council ) Reform have never done well here.
However……England flags are flying all along our high street and have been for ages. I don’t know who put them up but as I say, they’ve been here for months.
No one is bothered in the slightest.
Flying the England flag seems to really bother some people, whereas in reality no one cares or are happy with them.

How do you know that people aren’t bothered by the flags? Unfortunately my main local supermarket is in a flag flying area. If I could go to one without them I would. And I loathe having to drive past them to visit my son.

Kandinsky

I live in a fairly middle class, ethnically diverse area ( libdem council ) Reform have never done well here.
However……England flags are flying all along our high street and have been for ages. I don’t know who put them up but as I say, they’ve been here for months.
No one is bothered in the slightest.
Flying the England flag seems to really bother some people, whereas in reality no one cares or are happy with them.

I'm not happy with them. A few months ago, I had to go to a town where they were flying from nearly every lamp post and I felt intimidated because I know the values of the people who hung them.

In the recent local elections, this town surprisingly didn't return any Reform councillors (which is against the general trend for the council). The online letters section of the local newspaper was full of posts demanding that the new (Conservative) council take down the flags now that it's been shown that Reform isn't a threat. People were frightened of the bully boys who hung them.

Maremia

Britain is Brilliant. We still have democracy and the NHS.
Would you rather live in Russia, or Iran or Gaza?

Whatever happened to "More in Common"?

Maybe it needs to be resurrected and events like communal picnics, fairs and music events need to be organised and advertised. The emphasis would be on inclusion and people of all ages and ethnicities enjoying themselves.

Just last week The Guardian (26th) published an item using figures obtained through the Freedom of Information Act revealing that 21% or 949 persons involved in the 2024 riots (sparked off by the murder of the three girls in Southport) had since been reported to police for Domestic Violence activities.

These are men who claim to be patriotically protecting "our women and girls".

I live in a fairly middle class, ethnically diverse area ( libdem council ) Reform have never done well here.
However……England flags are flying all along our high street and have been for ages. I don’t know who put them up but as I say, they’ve been here for months.
No one is bothered in the slightest.
Flying the England flag seems to really bother some people, whereas in reality no one cares or are happy with them.

Britain is Brilliant. We still have democracy and the NHS.
Would you rather live in Russia, or Iran or Gaza?

Susieq62

My community is not “ finished” neither are the places I have had the pleasure of visiting recently. Beverley is a thriving market town . My daughter lives in Beeston Nottingham and she has a great high street at the bottom of her road. Our curry was the city of culture last year and has benefitted from the positive vibes.
My little town is holding a volunteers’ fair this week where I am proud to help out and maybe sign up for some more volunteering,
Our Saturday Park Run has over 500 participants on a regular basis. Everybody encourages you from the fastest runner to the little old walkers like my friend and I. Our community choir is thriving in four different towns and caters for all ages, abilities and is fully inclusive. My walking netball group has 35 registered members who play on a regular basis.
Does all of this sound like a “ broken” Britain.? No! Of course it doesn’t !
Negativity gets you nowhere.

I've just been watching part of the victory parade for Arsenal in North London. As far as I know, there were no incidents or arrests. It was heartening to see people of all sorts of ethnicities celebrating together.

Like Susieq62, my community isn't "finished" either. There are loads of communal events planned for this summer.

gwyneth28

No, I do not condone violence as I have said!!

So why the "but"?

No, I do not condone violence as I have said!!

I mean Stephen seriously suggests he lives in Luton and nIgel 'man of the people' lives in Essex?? It's all a load of cock and bull - Stony Stratford reference - neither of them live there either

TR lives in a massive house in a really middle class town where there is bunting up but no flags flying anywhere

He just wants to incite violence and disruption in places where he doesn't live The same with Nigel Farage. They're both fakes manipulating normal people to line their own pockets.

Everyone deserves better than what is happening