Should the Judge in the teenagers rape case be struck off ?

petra

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Same happening to me, so I did it again. Still no confirmation email. is it because I wouldn't donate the £7 they asked for????

I remember the case of a young g teenage girl in Scotland who had been the victim of rape.She was put on the witness stand and treated so badly that the wee soul committed suicide.
That must have been over 20 years ago and the legal profession still wants to blame the victim and excuse the males,boys in this case ,for their horrific actions.
Surely these judges are wel enough educated to understand rape is probably the worst crime a woman will experience and many never recover from it .The punishment should fit the crime .
The boys who killed Jamie Bulger were 10 and they were locked up,these boys were old enough to know what they were doing.

I just checked mine, and I've not got one either!!!

petra

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You most certainly are.
I can vouch for that, personally.
One of the realist!

Thank you for signing.
Its a well written summary of what I assume is most people's feelings about the case thats going alongside the petition.

So, at the risk of being repetitive, more signatures, please.

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If the judge were to be lenient on underage criminals let it be for theft and vandalism not for rape using a knife.
It makes no sense. This is the foulest crime and the judges ruling can only mean he doesn’t think the rape of girls or women is a big deal.
He should be sacked for dangerous misogyny.

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Violetbynight

The fact that a knife was produced to tear one girl’s clothing to facilitate the rape, shows that there was a possibility of eventual wounding, as well as the actual sexual violence. It was a physical assault, with proof of intent that should incur a custodial sentence. There are plenty of young people with difficult backgrounds who become hardworking individuals, who contribute usefully to society, they don’t become rapists or criminals. These young rapists should be taught that the punishment fits the crime and that they should be thoroughly ashamed of their actions. The danger here is that they have seen that they can get away with it and will go on to commit more and more serious crimes. I am in favour of rehabilitation, but this should be after a suitable punishment, possibly in a young offenders’ institution. At their age they knew what they were doing. Two separate girls were targeted so the boys’ actions were calculated and planned. There definitely should be an appeal. The psychological damage to the girls involved cannot be underestimated and the judge has increased this.

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We’ve probably all watched the tv drama Adolescence which brilliantly underlined the casual misogyny and violence towards girls and women from teenage boys.

Cardamom

^There’s plenty of videos or stories of these awful crimes that Mr Judge could read, if people feel he needs further education.^

He saw the videos of the rapes. He had to watch them as part of the evidence submitted by the prosecution. He watched the boys laughing and urging each other on whilst calling the victims disgusting names. And he STILL thought that, despite finding them guilty of 10 rape convictions between them, that they are essentially good lads who just got led astray by social media and, to underline his support for them he complimented them on their behaviour whilst awaiting trial. No wonder male on female violence is on the increase.

I really really wonder about this particular judge😲

The fact that a knife was produced to tear one girl’s clothing to facilitate the rape, shows that there was a possibility of eventual wounding, as well as the actual sexual violence. It was a physical assault, with proof of intent that should incur a custodial sentence. There are plenty of young people with difficult backgrounds who become hardworking individuals, who contribute usefully to society, they don’t become rapists or criminals. These young rapists should be taught that the punishment fits the crime and that they should be thoroughly ashamed of their actions. The danger here is that they have seen that they can get away with it and will go on to commit more and more serious crimes. I am in favour of rehabilitation, but this should be after a suitable punishment, possibly in a young offenders’ institution. At their age they knew what they were doing. Two separate girls were targeted so the boys’ actions were calculated and planned. There definitely should be an appeal. The psychological damage to the girls involved cannot be underestimated and the judge has increased this.

He should be sacked or stand down in my opinion

Disgraceful! They shoukd defo have a custodial sentence! 1. They knew what they were doing. 2. Filming it and putting it online! 3. The trauma and lifelong damage it has caused these young girls! 4. They done it twice!!! 4. Law sending out message that 'they have been naughty as they are just children!' 5. Community service!!!!🤬🤬🤬. They will do it again!!!All need to be given custodial sentences, separately not in same institution! Makes me so angry....and so sad for the girls and their families, they have a life long sentence!🤬😭

foxie48 is right. There is no way these boys will go on to lead normal law-abiding lives. Sounds defeatist, but it is realistic.

The important thing here is deterrence for others who might be tempted to do the same and a sense of justice having been served for the victims.

I speak as someone who sadly has an adopted relative in the prison system - sadly there are some who cannot be rehabilitated.

foxie48
sadly neither do I think a custodial sentence would change the trajectory of these boys lives

I don’t think it will either, but for the girls affected, the knowledge that their abusers will not be on the streets is a huge benefit.

I listened to the parents of one girl who said that his daughter has a life sentence because of the attack and though a life sentence would never be awarded to the culprits, there should be something that will impact on their future lives.
Sadly, unless the rapists plan to apply for legitimate work, it’s difficult to see how that can be implemented.

Having worked with young offenders in a past life, I just wish we had better custodial facilities for young offenders that focused on restitution and rehabilitation instead of being a training ground for further criminality. I certainly don't think that a community based sentence was an appropriate punishment for what these boys did and sadly neither do I think a custodial sentence would change the trajectory of these boys lives. Out criminal justice system is a mess and society will probably suffer the consequences of these boys for decades either in terms of further criminality and/or in paying for them to be in one of our jails.

DrWatson
Excellent!
I’d just written a post suggesting that since these children are too young for punishments that would seriously curtail their liberty, the parents should be named and held responsible for their offspring. It disappeared before I could post it.
Then I saw your post, which said so much more and so much better.

There is an old Feminist theory that says that a lot of men still think that the domestic violence and sexual abuse against women. Is normal and warranted in every case.

There is a deep down hatred of women and they deserve everything they get. Men must have power over women at all.times.

Saw this case being discussed on a TV news programme and the guide lines on sentencing. So these monsters managed to slip through the net. Because this awful judge thought they met one of these criteria.

Does this judge have children? Daughters?

I think he is a disgrace to the profession and should be dis robed or dis barred or whatever the term is.

This case makes me want to weep for the victims. It is heartbreaking.

maxmyers

Reluctant to admit it, but I used to work in the justice system in a senior capacity. I don’t agree with the sentence but actually judges don’t have as much leeway as you would think, there are guidelines which must be followed otherwise the sentence can be appealed.
Believe it or not, but judges have to do a considerable amount of annual training which includes input from rape crisis and domestic violence centres.

Thank you for saying this.
If we don't know all the details of the case we can only say that it sounds lenient.

However, someone I'm close to who, alongside another young woman was a victim of a similar crime said she was having to "bite her tongue" over this.

She was pleased that the emphasis was on rehabilitation.

She said that the people she knew who has been a victim of male sexual violence, of any age, would much rather nobody else was harmed by them than see them locked up and then reoffend. She said "we all deserve better than prisons".

I've read all the comments so far and can't understand anyone worrying to much about the well being of these horrid boys.
We skirt around the degradation, the horror, the fear, the shame, the sleepless nights, the physical pain involved in the crimes against two innocent girls. The struggle their families will have trying to help and comfort them. Their fear of boys and men. Going back into school, facing their friends.
We clean up the act and the violence with words that soften the narrative for our sensitive ears.
Are the videos still out there as they will have been shared and shared again.
We really need to bring back boot camps and maybe councillors to help these boys understand their crimes. As for sending the judge to a rape crisis centre, that's insensitive unless he's sent to observe in a male rape crisis centre because we should never forget this can happen to boys and men as well.

These boys may have technically still be children but they have committed adult men's crimes and should be punished in the same way. They certainly need long custodial sentences. These do not necessarily need to be in an adult prison but certainly in youth custody and they need to be made to see the consequences of their actions.

Our justice system needs investigating! This is Lammy’s trial without jury! We have a system where there is no justice for the victims at all!
The judge is a disgrace. Total disgrace who should not be anywhere near a court room!
No thought whatsoever for the victims, they have life sentences having nightmares for ever!
What a mess

Cossy

I understand that simply locking them away may not be the best of action for them, the perpetrators, but surely the safety and peace of mind for their victims and other girls should be paramount in this case?

Couldn't agree more.