Reform - Disgusting Misogyny - and more!

Galaxy

Again that is a class thing, when the middle class appoint someone they know to associate with epstein ( after he had been charged,) then it is a gamble. When trudeau blacks up it is just a youthful indiscretion but God forbid some bloke shouts that starmer is shit etc etc.

I respectfully disagree, it’s nothing to do with class whatsoever, many people don’t even consider “class” as in the political use, ie working class, middle class, upper class.

Having said that I do think the whole RR episode has been taken a little too far, lots of people think Starmer is sh

Some countries actually still “black up”, my cousin attended a Spanish festival just last week, in Spain, where there was an rein-action of the Albanian/Spanish battle and Spanish people taking part “blacked up” and then proceeded to blacken the faces of some watching, she was one of these and almost her entire face was blackened!

I really do think the RR thing is a bit OTT, lots of people believe Starmer is shite, and think she is too. He was rude and disrespectful but it’s pretty much expected, doesn’t make it right but no worse than egging someone or chucking a McD Milkshake at someone else, all wrong, all a bit distasteful, but not really a big deal!

Different thread entirely, BUT many many names appear in the so called “Epstein files”, not all of them will be “wronguns”

Again that is a class thing, when the middle class appoint someone they know to associate with epstein ( after he had been charged,) then it is a gamble. When trudeau blacks up it is just a youthful indiscretion but God forbid some bloke shouts that starmer is shit etc etc.

Currently though I live in Essex, my council is a unitary which had many Reform gains, but no overall majority, so our previous Labour leader (it was NOC prior to the elections), has form a majority by hooking up with the Lib Dem’s, we have zero Reform councillors in the current council cabinet, which has enraged those who vote Reform but is a relief to the rest of us as all Reform councillors elected are brand new councillors and need to learn their roles and responsibilities first prior to being given more responsibility.

In any event, we have boundary changes in 2027, so in many ways it was a pointless and expensive exercise.

GrannyGravy13

Cossy I think our area will find out pretty soon how Reform in charge will affect us…

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Galaxy

It is worse in my view. The vetting could have been done by Joe Bloggs and they would have reached a more sound judgement. The connection with Epstein was known as was Mandelssons own disastrous history.

I don’t agree, because it seems every man of the era in a position of power was connected with Epstein at that time. We don’t know the half of it about the vast majority of them, but we know a lot now about Mandelson than the vetting process could possibly have revealed at the time it was carried out for the ambassador role. I do agree that given his past history it was a massive gamble, and went wrong, and the criticism of the government is just in that respect - but it wasn’t down to the vetting as a process, it was down to error of judgement.

GrannyGravy13

Cossy I think our area will find out pretty soon how Reform in charge will affect us…

Oh! I think they already have. Charges for reserving library books and some parking charges have been abolished. (Thanks for the brioches, Reform!) That'll keep a few people quiet! Goody! So how are they going to pay for it? What's going to be cut?

Meanwhile, a former Conservative and UKIP councillor has been announced as council leader. He's not the only Conservative in the new cabinet, which begs the question why the Conservatives who used to be in charge of Essex didn't do the things they're promising to do now.

Of course, it may just be that the people who will vote for this repulsive character will do so because they agree with his views.

Reform know this.

As uncomfortable as it feels, there are many in our society who hold such repugnant views. Reform UK has given them a gang to join.

IMO people who support Reform are not ignorant of the misogyny and racism embedded within the party; they support Reform precisely because of it.

I think in terms of RR, and I’m no fan of hers, though I do still support Starmer, anyhow, in terms of RR, it doesn’t matter now what she announces, she’ll be ridiculed. I genuinely believe her appointment was a mistake.

Galaxy

Oh it won't work, Farage is a second rate Johnson. He will get bored after a while, and certainly won't be able to do anything about immigration, etc.
It is about class that's all. To be dramatic I think it is a class war.

That makes it all the more “weird”, if this is what you’re calling it.

A “class war” being led by someone educated in very expensive independent schools and he himself a very wealthy man, who given his background, would most certainly be defined as “middle class” if we used those definitions these days, I have to say I believe most people don’t anymore, nevertheless it’s utterly ludicrous to think that Farage is some form of messiah leading the poor and neglected to the promised land!

Galaxy

Oh it won't work, Farage is a second rate Johnson. He will get bored after a while, and certainly won't be able to do anything about immigration, etc.
It is about class that's all. To be dramatic I think it is a class war.

Yes 👍

Rachel Reeves announcements re a summer of fun whilst good for those who can and do go to theme parks, attractions etc, along with free bus travel for under 16’s seems a bit like let them eat brioche …

Cossy I think our area will find out pretty soon how Reform in charge will affect us…

Oh it won't work, Farage is a second rate Johnson. He will get bored after a while, and certainly won't be able to do anything about immigration, etc.
It is about class that's all. To be dramatic I think it is a class war.

Galaxy

My point being that those who are being called ignorant will look at those type of decisions and think well the people calling me ignorant are idiots.

Ignorance is a fundamental lack of knowledge, education, or awareness in a particular area. Calling someone an idiot is a direct, often hostile insult.

The appointment of Mandelson was a monumental error and Starmer is paying dearly for it, as are the senior Civil Servants who (allegedly) withheld the fact that he had indeed failed his vetting.

However, that doesn’t it any way excuse Reform as a party, continually failing to vet candidates and for the last 18 months have had “unsuitable” people being put forward, and in some cases elected in both local and central government.

I don’t think those who vote for these type of people are “stupid fools”, I do think they are, in some cases, uneducated and ignorant about the outcome of having such people in positions of power and I also think those to which these people appeal have some gripe about life, often very understandable, sometimes not, and they’ve been mesmerised by Reform, truly believing that so long as the “boats stop”, “foreigners” are sent home and people on benefits have their benefits taken away, their own lives will immeasurably improve.

I’ll be totally honest, I simply cannot even understand how this would work?

Look I don't like a lot if what this bloke said obviously, but some of it I am not the slightest bit worried about.
Is telling Trudeau to fuck off worse than blackface?

Presented himself.

Well it is the same Wyllow isn't it. They knew very well about Mandelsson and carried on anyway, and mankesson himself happily presented him as a candidate for that job.

But the huge lesson from the whole Mandelsson business is

"do your vetting and checks!!!!!"

Just ignored again.

But......., does it not say something about any politician or would be politician

In this case the candidate knew very very well their past SM posts were totally damning

and he STILL presented himself as a candidate in this crucial election.

Galaxy

They think the same about 'you' though DAR, they look at the decisions made and the ideas which those in power have followed, and think these people are fools.

Who thinks what about me Galaxy? I'm sorry but I don't know which post you are referring to.

Galaxy

It is worse in my view. The vetting could have been done by Joe Bloggs and they would have reached a more sound judgement. The connection with Epstein was known as was Mandelssons own disastrous history.

I totally agree on this 👍

My point being that those who are being called ignorant will look at those type of decisions and think well the people calling me ignorant are idiots.

It is worse in my view. The vetting could have been done by Joe Bloggs and they would have reached a more sound judgement. The connection with Epstein was known as was Mandelssons own disastrous history.

Galaxy

I think it is the other way round though, or perhaps just the nature of people, people cheered on the appointment of mandelsson, etc, it is quite difficult to now take their concerns about safeguarding seriously.

That’s inconsistent Galaxy. The mistake with Mandelson was that, in knowing fully about his previous issues, a gamble was taken to appoint him. Some people supported that and some didn’t. However, he didn’t fail the vetting process, it was only when further information came out about his connection to Epstein that he was removed from post. It was a huge error to gamble on appointing him, but not one of vetting, given the Epstein information was not disclosable..

They think the same about 'you' though DAR, they look at the decisions made and the ideas which those in power have followed, and think these people are fools.